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[Viewpoint]

As long as the GCs are the majority you will sing the song "we are all Cypriots"
Tcs are not stupid they will never fall into this trap.

Not as long as we are holding the GC's land and property in the "TRNC", while still owning our own TC land in the RoC.

A deal like that, who needs to be "We are all Cypriots".

Double Dipping is more like it.

But once the GC properties are given back to their rightful owners, then we will all become Cypriots again.

Without the stolen GC land, there is no "TRNC".

I know you are good at laughing VP, but lets see you explain yourself, that anything that is written above, are not accurate.

I can't wait to start laughing myself with your answer, I'm sure.

Then half the world will have to give back land they took during wars, this is not unique to Cyprus, Gcs have to face it they lost the war and are paying the price whether they want to get back what they lot is up to them the options have been put before them but the longer they try to get turn back the clock to prior 1974 they will lose out as in a 1000 years time no one will even remember who the land belonged to, look at Poland and the Jews all they got was compensation which is where we are headed.

[Nikitas]

Viewpoint,

YOur silence on the land issue speaks volumes! Kikapu said it is all about keeping stolen land and people getting rich off it. So leave the rhetoric and concentrate on the point at hand.

[Viewpoint]

Viewpoint,

YOur silence on the land issue speaks volumes! Kikapu said it is all about keeping stolen land and people getting rich off it. So leave the rhetoric and concentrate on the point at hand.

I do not own any disputed land, my home is built on Turkish title deeds, not what you want to hear but its a fact.

[Nikitas]

You are a master at evading the question. No need to talk then.

[Viewpoint]

You are a master at evading the question. No need to talk then.

Ask a direct question get a direct response.

[Kikapu]

Viewpoint,

YOur silence on the land issue speaks volumes! Kikapu said it is all about keeping stolen land and people getting rich off it. So leave the rhetoric and concentrate on the point at hand.

I do not own any disputed land, my home is built on Turkish title deeds, not what you want to hear but its a fact.

It all depends how one categorizes "Turkish Land". To some, after 1974, it is all considered to be "Turkish Land".

How do you categorize "Turkish Land" to mean.??

You already told us VP, that your family has 100 Donums of land in the RoC.

Are you telling us, your family has not gotten 100 Donums of stolen GC land in return, in the North, and at the same time, maintain ownership of their own 100 Donums in the RoC.?

That's called Double Dipping.

As far as losing the war, what war are you talking about.?? Did the GC's declare war on the TC's, or on Turkey, or did Turkey, part of her duty, came to protect the RoC from Nationalist few, but instead occupied the North. You can make any examples as you want about wars and loss of land, but Cyprus does not fall into that category.

[Viewpoint]

Kikapu

It all depends how one categorizes "Turkish Land". To some, after 1974, it is all considered to be "Turkish Land".

How do you categorize "Turkish Land" to mean.??

Land that had Turkish title deeds pre 1974.

You already told us VP, that your family has 100 Donums of land in the RoC.

Correct

Are you telling us, your family has not gotten 100 Donums of stolen GC land in return, in the North, and at the same time, maintain ownership of their own 100 Donums in the RoC.?

Correct and there are many TCs famalies like us.

That's called Double Dipping.

If you put the opportunity before people they will surely grab them, if you keep people isolated they will use whatever options are available, if you put up obstacles for people to cliam their land they will seek alternative remedies, its called human nature.

As far as losing the war, what war are you talking about.?? Did the GC's declare war on the TC's, or on Turkey, or did Turkey, part of her duty, came to protect the RoC from Nationalist few, but instead occupied the North. You can make any examples as you want about wars and loss of land, but Cyprus does not fall into that category.

Was there a full scale war in 1974? you can label it what you wish but a battle raged between GCs TCs and Turks and the outcome was a seperation of 2 communites who had been at loggerheads for 11 years, with the minority being in a worse position than GCs and facing hardship and discrimination, both sides paid the price.

[Kikapu]

Are you telling us, your family has not gotten 100 Donums of stolen GC land in return, in the North, and at the same time, maintain ownership of their own 100 Donums in the RoC.?

Correct and there are many TCs famalies like us.

I got all the other answers...thanks., but the above has couple of question in one, so I don't know which one you answered "correct" to. Please clarify to what the "correct" was for.

1. Are you telling us, your family has not gotten 100 Donums of stolen GC land in return, in the North.??

2. ...and at the same time, maintain ownership of their own 100 Donums in the RoC.?

[Jerry]

Viewpoint,

YOur silence on the land issue speaks volumes! Kikapu said it is all about keeping stolen land and people getting rich off it. So leave the rhetoric and concentrate on the point at hand.

I do not own any disputed land, my home is built on Turkish title deeds, not what you want to hear but its a fact.

The implication of this response is that there is something wrong with non Turkish title deeds. You obviously don't trust your own "government's" guarentee that you can keep disputed land

In response to your comment about Poland and the Jews, they were given someone else's land as well, it's called Palestine.

Incidently I always understood Turkish troops "intervened " in 1974. I did not realise that they declared war on the ROC.

[Daemon]

Lets start from the beginning Daemon so that there are no mistakes in you understanding me. I do not hate anyone, least of all my own people, the Cypriots, GC's and TC's alike. I don't even hate anyone from Turkey or Greece, so I hope we have cleared that misconception you may have had about me.

Now, I can see how you may have reached the wrong conclusion about me hating Turks or Motherland, because I tell it the way it is, and not try and shelter any wrong doings by my own people. If we are going to be honest in our conversations, then honesty has to be practiced, or else we are no different than the Nationalist and the Fascists.

Lets not kid ourselves with the land and property issues. The creation of the "TRNC" on stolen GC land is all about property ownership and control. Once having control of the North, it is designed to keep it and make it a pure Turkish state, and most plans that the TC's only agree to a settlement, is to make the North a permanent Turkish State. If land was not a issue, the TC's could easily have gotten the blessing of the GC's with full Partition agreement and recognition, if the TC's took their share of the land, which is at most, 20%. Why do you think the TC's won't go for this deal.?? Perhaps land ownership and control is more important, than having an agreed settlement.

The same can also be said about the GC's also. They too see the present problems, which is land and property. They do not want to lose their land to their fellow citizens, therefore no agreement can be reached, if it means, that the GC's will need to forgo their ancestral land to the TC's. The reason why I pick on my community about the land issue, is because they do not want to give any part of it, even though they know full well, that they are sitting on mostly stolen GC land. So you tell me, how we can move forward in any peace talks, if the land issues are not sorted out. That's why a BBF as the TC's interpret and want, will never be agreed by the GC's, because in effect, they are letting their land be taken over by the TC's and Turkey. In order to please everyone who genuinely wants peace and reconciliation, a Federal system of Government with North and South States, as the case is in the USA, is the best solution I can see for our island.

I put this solution proposal together not too long ago. I can assure you, not too many TC's jumped on this idea. I only got few supports from the GC's. For the TC's, it was clear that they could not be able to keep stolen GC land, may have been the reason why this plan was not supported. So, land and property issue is by no means a minor detail as to what each side wants for a solution.

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=12055

I'm personally not "in love" with any leadership whether it is in Cyprus or other parts of the world, so just because I pick on the TC's does not mean I approve what the others are doing, specially PapaD. That's why I rely on my friend Bananiot to make his case against the GC leadership on my behalf. This way, we can get more done by pointing out what each of our own sides are doing wrong

All this empty words does not really work for me since I’m always looking behind the words in their entity.

If you ask Bananiot or me about the nationalistic pig called Denktash or any other partitionist we will not afraid to answer about how ridiculous pig he and his son is.

I hate the fascist’s of your motherland as I hate mine; if you are claiming what you love or what there is a place for them in your world, then you are either a hypocrite or just a coward or you can’t understand the levels that hate can have.

As about your USA solution have some meaning only if a culture will be dominated or if there will be osmosis after a long time and no 10 years are not enough for osmosis, maybe you should express your personal hate in other multicultural federations and not hide behind the mono-cultural example of USA that have nothing to do with the Cyprus realities.

The properties issue was about to solved in a reasonable way through the a-plan that I’m guessing what you have voted yes for, because in any other case I will not be able to overpass your personal realities and your hypocrisy for any reason.