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[Jerry]

To be honest, I never enjoyed French, GR. But for your information, 'Cie la vie' (That's life) was the view expressed by a lot of Francophones all over Canada after the defeat of the last independence referendum. That's why I added it.

Patriotisme ou pragmatisme ? Prenez votre choisir, mon ami.

Excuse my ignorance, and I may be wrong but my schoolboy french tells me it should be written "C'est la vie" or is Canadian french different?

[Viewpoint]

Turkish you are but Cypriot YOU ARE NOT mate .

So? these little snipes dont do it miltiades, I know what I am and have no problems with it, you on the other hand are trying to persuade yourself more than anyone else that just "Cypriots" exists.

[Viewpoint]

As long as the GCs are the majority you will sing the song "we are all Cypriots" Tcs are not stupid they will never fall into this trap.

Ever heard of "penny wise and pound foolish" ? If falling into the "Greek trap" is bad you just wait till you walk into the Turkish one!

Thank you for your concern but surely which traps I fall into is my business. What you see as a trap we welcome with open arms and what you claim is not a trap to us is 100% dangerous.

[Viewpoint]

As long as the GCs are the majority you will sing the song "we are all Cypriots"
Tcs are not stupid they will never fall into this trap.

Not as long as we are holding the GC's land and property in the "TRNC", while still owning our own TC land in the RoC.

A deal like that, who needs to be "We are all Cypriots".

Double Dipping is more like it.

But once the GC properties are given back to their rightful owners, then we will all become Cypriots again.

Without the stolen GC land, there is no "TRNC".

[Daemon]

Like I see it Viewpoint and Get Real have the same brains and Miltiades is their old version.

[Viewpoint]

Like I see it Viewpoint and Get Real have the same brains and Miltiades is their old version.

Daemon thats the biggest insult you can pay me, being placed in the same group.

[utu]

To be honest, I never enjoyed French, GR. But for your information, 'Cie la vie' (That's life) was the view expressed by a lot of Francophones all over Canada after the defeat of the last independence referendum. That's why I added it.

Patriotisme ou pragmatisme ? Prenez votre choisir, mon ami.

Excuse my ignorance, and I may be wrong but my schoolboy french tells me it should be written "C'est la vie" or is Canadian french different?

I was lousy in French at school. Anyway, I remember it written 'Cie' in a local paper. It was - I remember - an acronym for Canadienne Indépendance Éteinte (independence from Canada extinguished), so it was a pun on 'C'est. Oh, and FYI, Quebecois French is distinctly different from Mainstream French.

[Kikapu]

Kikapu I can find a lot of reasons to hate your motherland (I hate mine and yours) but let’s stay to reality while we can save something, like you are saying the only problem is the property issue that is about to solved by ECHR, is not about time to do our best to come to a BBF (that is already agreed from all the Cypriots presidents) solution before we will lead to a division?

And you as a TC’s that hates Turks you think what TPap is the appropriate person to reunite Cyprus?

If you hate Turks so much you should also hate TPap and do not consider so much his stupid Mongolian face with this Anatolian noose think about what he thinks and acts like a Turk, it’s not about time to become Europeans and leave this crap behind while we may still have a chance?

Lets start from the beginning Daemon so that there are no mistakes in you understanding me. I do not hate anyone, least of all my own people, the Cypriots, GC's and TC's alike. I don't even hate anyone from Turkey or Greece, so I hope we have cleared that misconception you may have had about me.

Now, I can see how you may have reached the wrong conclusion about me hating Turks or Motherland, because I tell it the way it is, and not try and shelter any wrong doings by my own people. If we are going to be honest in our conversations, then honesty has to be practiced, or else we are no different than the Nationalist and the Fascists.

Lets not kid ourselves with the land and property issues. The creation of the "TRNC" on stolen GC land is all about property ownership and control. Once having control of the North, it is designed to keep it and make it a pure Turkish state, and most plans that the TC's only agree to a settlement, is to make the North a permanent Turkish State. If land was not a issue, the TC's could easily have gotten the blessing of the GC's with full Partition agreement and recognition, if the TC's took their share of the land, which is at most, 20%. Why do you think the TC's won't go for this deal.?? Perhaps land ownership and control is more important, than having an agreed settlement.

The same can also be said about the GC's also. They too see the present problems, which is land and property. They do not want to lose their land to their fellow citizens, therefore no agreement can be reached, if it means, that the GC's will need to forgo their ancestral land to the TC's. The reason why I pick on my community about the land issue, is because they do not want to give any part of it, even though they know full well, that they are sitting on mostly stolen GC land. So you tell me, how we can move forward in any peace talks, if the land issues are not sorted out. That's why a BBF as the TC's interpret and want, will never be agreed by the GC's, because in effect, they are letting their land be taken over by the TC's and Turkey. In order to please everyone who genuinely wants peace and reconciliation, a Federal system of Government with North and South States, as the case is in the USA, is the best solution I can see for our island.

I put this solution proposal together not too long ago. I can assure you, not too many TC's jumped on this idea. I only got few supports from the GC's. For the TC's, it was clear that they could not be able to keep stolen GC land, may have been the reason why this plan was not supported. So, land and property issue is by no means a minor detail as to what each side wants for a solution.

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=12055

I'm personally not "in love" with any leadership whether it is in Cyprus or other parts of the world, so just because I pick on the TC's does not mean I approve what the others are doing, specially PapaD. That's why I rely on my friend Bananiot to make his case against the GC leadership on my behalf. This way, we can get more done by pointing out what each of our own sides are doing wrong.

[Kikapu]

As long as the GCs are the majority you will sing the song "we are all Cypriots"
Tcs are not stupid they will never fall into this trap.

Not as long as we are holding the GC's land and property in the "TRNC", while still owning our own TC land in the RoC.

A deal like that, who needs to be "We are all Cypriots".

Double Dipping is more like it.

But once the GC properties are given back to their rightful owners, then we will all become Cypriots again.

Without the stolen GC land, there is no "TRNC".

I know you are good at laughing VP, but lets see you explain yourself, that anything that is written above, are not accurate.

I can't wait to start laughing myself with your answer, I'm sure.

[Viewpoint]

Kikapu I can find a lot of reasons to hate your motherland (I hate mine and yours) but let’s stay to reality while we can save something, like you are saying the only problem is the property issue that is about to solved by ECHR, is not about time to do our best to come to a BBF (that is already agreed from all the Cypriots presidents) solution before we will lead to a division?

And you as a TC’s that hates Turks you think what TPap is the appropriate person to reunite Cyprus?

If you hate Turks so much you should also hate TPap and do not consider so much his stupid Mongolian face with this Anatolian noose think about what he thinks and acts like a Turk, it’s not about time to become Europeans and leave this crap behind while we may still have a chance?

Lets start from the beginning Daemon so that there are no mistakes in you understanding me. I do not hate anyone, least of all my own people, the Cypriots, GC's and TC's alike. I don't even hate anyone from Turkey or Greece, so I hope we have cleared that misconception you may have had about me.

Now, I can see how you may have reached the wrong conclusion about me hating Turks or Motherland, because I tell it the way it is, and not try and shelter any wrong doings by my own people. If we are going to be honest in our conversations, then honesty has to be practiced, or else we are no different than the Nationalist and the Fascists.

Lets not kid ourselves with the land and property issues. The creation of the "TRNC" on stolen GC land is all about property ownership and control. Once having control of the North, it is designed to keep it and make it a pure Turkish state, and most plans that the TC's only agree to a settlement, is to make the North a permanent Turkish State. If land was not a issue, the TC's could easily have gotten the blessing of the GC's with full Partition agreement and recognition, if the TC's took their share of the land, which is at most, 20%. Why do you think the TC's won't go for this deal.?? Perhaps land ownership and control is more important, than having an agreed settlement.

The same can also be said about the GC's also. They too see the present problems, which is land and property. They do not want to lose their land to their fellow citizens, therefore no agreement can be reached, if it means, that the GC's will need to forgo their ancestral land to the TC's. The reason why I pick on my community about the land issue, is because they do not want to give any part of it, even though they know full well, that they are sitting on mostly stolen GC land. So you tell me, how we can move forward in any peace talks, if the land issues are not sorted out. That's why a BBF as the TC's interpret and want, will never be agreed by the GC's, because in effect, they are letting their land be taken over by the TC's and Turkey. In order to please everyone who genuinely wants peace and reconciliation, a Federal system of Government with North and South States, as the case is in the USA, is the best solution I can see for our island.

I put this solution proposal together not too long ago. I can assure you, not too many TC's jumped on this idea. I only got few supports from the GC's. For the TC's, it was clear that they could not be able to keep stolen GC land, may have been the reason why this plan was not supported. So, land and property issue is by no means a minor detail as to what each side wants for a solution.

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=12055

I'm personally not "in love" with any leadership whether it is in Cyprus or other parts of the world, so just because I pick on the TC's does not mean I approve what the others are doing, specially PapaD. That's why I rely on my friend Bananiot to make his case against the GC leadership on my behalf. This way, we can get more done by pointing out what each of our own sides are doing wrong.

This from a person who has not said one good thing about "he people he claims are his" the TCs let alone Turks but sings the praises of the GCs at every opportunity, he even has the nerve to tell us we are in the wrong for not wanting to capitulate to GCs, when all he knows is half the story from the "RoC" side, his visit to the island was a farce and only took in 63% of the island, what a coward. I have more respect for humanist who made the effort to see both sides of the divide to get a more balance viewpoint which obviously you will never have.