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[miltiades]

VP , I trust the T/C community just as much I trust the G/C community. You must admit however that it is rather difficult for the larger community to accept that 50% of the Police stations would T/C administered and 50% G/C .
Its like saying that the Turkish people in Turkey would readily and happily accept that 50% of Turkish police stations in Turkey would by administered by the Kurds with a Kurdish flag flying !!!
As far as I'm concerned , in Cyprus there are only Cypriots , I do not see a minority or a majority. I have previously expressed my sincere wish to see a T/C as president of a united Cyprus , provided HE WAS A CYPRIOT president for all Cypriots. I have many T/C friends and there are some I would gladly and enthusiastically support not caring if they are T/Cs or indeed G/Cs.The difference between you and I is that although you were born in the UK you led a very sheltered life , it shows in your statements , you never mixed with other Cypriots in fact you saw yourself as a Pakistani and returned to Cyprus because you felt that the UK was a foreign country for you.
I on the hand adore this country for all its faults , the politicians doing , it is still a great nation.
Cyprus of course is in a different league naturally being the Jewell of the Mediterranean !!!

[Jerry]

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Thank you for caring even if it is without sincerity.

VP why do you find it so difficult to accept that some of us accept and respect all Cypriots regardless of their linguistic or religious backgrounds?

humanist you are to gay and a optimistic soul but unfortunately a minority that could get us into trouble if we do not keep our wits about us and give into becoming yet another minority in a GC state.

Well mate , I and 300 thousand other Cypriots ARE a minority in the UK !!
What is it with you and these nonsense on majority and minoriry issues.

Lets not forget, every country in the world have a Minority groups whether they were born in those countries or migrated to. There's no shame being a minority, if in fact one is. The bigger concern is, are they treated as equals with the Majority. There is no such thing as a "partnership communities" to try and run a country. We have tried that with the 1960 Constitution, and look what happened. You cannot have two people driving a car at the same time.

It is bad enough just by having "back seat drivers", and we all know how annoying they can be.

There is no "normal" situation in Cyprus, GCs have a very bad track record of exercising democracy and human rights when it comes to TCs, thats why TCs are very apprehensive and will not leave anything to chance by allowing GCs to use the their numerical advantage to keeping out of having a say in running a united Cyprus.

VP, why don't you do us all a favour - buy a one way ticket on the Syrian ferry (they need the business)

Why?

I'll tell you why VP - because you spout a load of rubbish and talk like a prat. Their is a long history of mistrust between Turkey and Greece that was imported by both sides onto the island pre independence. Giving the TCs disproportionate power, rather than "protect" them, made the situation worse.
You live in an artificial world with an unsuatainable economy propped up by the region's bully boy. You will be devoured and assimilated by Turkey: not other Cypriots.

[BirKibrisli]

We keep coming to the same point (if you excuse the expression,like certain animals who keep coming back to their own vomit!!!)....We want to have a say in the ruling of the country,we don't want to be a minority...

Well people,being a minority is only in your heads...If you come to your senses and accept that you are Cypriots who by some twist of fate happen to speak one language or other, then the majority/minority issue will evaporate into thin air...In a democratic state everyone can participate in the running of the country.To ask for equal opportunity and human right protection is one thing,and the right thing...To ask for preferential treatment and positive discrimination on the grounds of ethnic backround is not only passe but immoral... It shows a lack of confidence at best...At worst it is a calculated political manouver to frustrate the will of a nation...

ps...@ Tim Drayton.......Mate,I wish you did not appologise every time you make a post. You have chosen Cyprus as your homeland and as far as I am concerned you are no less Cypriot than I am...Your well educated opinions and observations are most welcome...I would say the same if I didn't agree with them,but I happen to think you are spot on with your observations on the Cypriot culture or the culture of the Cypriot people of different etnic backgrounds...

[phoenix]

We keep coming to the same point (if you excuse the expression,like certain animals who keep coming back to their own vomit!!!)....We want to have a say in the ruling of the country,we don't want to be a minority...

Well people,being a minority is only in your heads...If you come to your senses and accept that you are Cypriots who by some twist of fate happen to speak one language or other, then the majority/minority issue will evaporate into thin air...In a democratic state everyone can participate in the running of the country.To ask for equal opportunity and human right protection is one thing,and the right thing...To ask for preferential treatment and positive discrimination on the grounds of ethnic backround is not only passe but immoral... It shows a lack of confidence at best...At worst it is a calculated political manouver to frustrate the will of a nation...

ps...@ Tim Drayton.......Mate,I wish you did not appologise every time you make a post. You have chosen Cyprus as your homeland and as far as I am concerned you are no less Cypriot than I am...Your well educated opinions and observations are most welcome...I would say the same if I didn't agree with them,but I happen to think you are spot on with your observations on the Cypriot culture or the culture of the Cypriot people of different etnic backgrounds...

Very impressive guidance for moving onwards Birk.

It's so logical and reasonable, I don't understand why it's not embraced

[Nikitas]

An observation on Bir's last post. I would add that what we need is a system that limits nepotism and cronyism and ensures that jobs (both civil service and private sector)go to the best qualified. We often talk about the probability of inter communal discrimination but forget the daily discrimination that goes on all the time in all of Cyprus through nepotism and the "koumbaros" network. Equality of opportunity is one of the essential expressions of equality. It is an even bet that many Cypriots have left Cyprus because of this problem and many would return if equality of opportunity was guaranteed.

[utu]

VP , I trust the T/C community just as much I trust the G/C community. You must admit however that it is rather difficult for the larger community to accept that 50% of the Police stations would T/C administered and 50% G/C .
Its like saying that the Turkish people in Turkey would readily and happily accept that 50% of Turkish police stations in Turkey would by administered by the Kurds with a Kurdish flag flying !!!
As far as I'm concerned , in Cyprus there are only Cypriots , I do not see a minority or a majority. I have previously expressed my sincere wish to see a T/C as president of a united Cyprus , provided HE WAS A CYPRIOT president for all Cypriots. I have many T/C friends and there are some I would gladly and enthusiastically support not caring if they are T/Cs or indeed G/Cs.The difference between you and I is that although you were born in the UK you led a very sheltered life , it shows in your statements , you never mixed with other Cypriots in fact you saw yourself as a Pakistani and returned to Cyprus because you felt that the UK was a foreign country for you.
I on the hand adore this country for all its faults , the politicians doing , it is still a great nation.
Cyprus of course is in a different league naturally being the Jewell of the Mediterranean !!!

That is a great ideal, Miltiades. However, can that ideal become reality if there is no will in both communities to reconcile?

[Get Real!]

That is a great ideal, Miltiades. However, can that ideal become reality if there is no will in both communities to reconcile?

You never did answer Utu... "for how many years have you been living there Utu?" (Canada)

[Viewpoint]

miltiades

VP , I trust the T/C community just as much I trust the G/C community. You must admit however that it is rather difficult for the larger community to accept that 50% of the Police stations would T/C administered and 50% G/C .

Which community needs more protection? if 80% of the police are GCs what chance do we have to get justice? You may trust Tcs as much as GCs but there are many TCs who do not trust GCs one inch, so GCs have to show they can be trusted to act fairly.

Its like saying that the Turkish people in Turkey would readily and happily accept that 50% of Turkish police stations in Turkey would by administered by the Kurds with a Kurdish flag flying !!!

Did the Turkish people try to give Turkey to another country? do they have a partnership agreement? was there a war like 1974? do they have security provision with another country?

As far as I'm concerned , in Cyprus there are only Cypriots , I do not see a minority or a majority. I have previously expressed my sincere wish to see a T/C as president of a united Cyprus , provided HE WAS A CYPRIOT president for all Cypriots. I have many T/C friends and there are some I would gladly and enthusiastically support not caring if they are T/Cs or indeed G/Cs.

You still don't get it, the problem is with GCs they would never vote for a TC to clean the toilets let alone be president, you live a utopia and do not know your own community, they are biased and racist, the maturity necessary to look beyond ethnic origin does not exist in the south especially when TCs are concerned.

The difference between you and I is that although you were born in the UK you led a very sheltered life , it shows in your statements , you never mixed with other Cypriots in fact you saw yourself as a Pakistani and returned to Cyprus because you felt that the UK was a foreign country for you.

You are totally wrong and know nothing about me or the way I was raised, I returned to the TRNC for the sake of my children as I did not like the way TC children were developing in the UK, they suffer from an identity crisis, they are neither English or Turkish Cypriot and in time like you will lose your ethnic origin, you will be diluted Cypriots and your children will be mixed children half casts has we called them in the UK. I did not want this for my children who have grown up to be more balanced and know where they from the TRNC and as Turkish Cypriots.

I on the hand adore this country for all its faults , the politicians doing , it is still a great nation.
Cyprus of course is in a different league naturally being the Jewell of the Mediterranean !!!

I to love the UK, visiting 2 or 3 times a year, I will always be grateful for the upbringing it has given me but it has degenerated over the last 25 years and is not a country where anyone would want to bring children who are of a different ethnic background. In the UK 14 year old get pregnant and beat up their teachers, this is not the environment I wanted for my children.

[utu]

You never did answer Utu... "for how many years have you been living there Utu?" (Canada)

I am a born-and-bred Canadian (though one of my parents hailed from Gibraltar). However, I have not been in BC all that long. I was born in Hamilton, Ontario.

[Get Real!]

You never did answer Utu... "for how many years have you been living there Utu?" (Canada)

I am a born-and-bred Canadian (though one of my parents hailed from Gibraltar). However, I have not been in BC all that long. I was born in Hamilton, Ontario.

So how do you explain your basic French slip-up below?

“would assure a 'no' majority for any secession referendum. Cie la vie.”

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/cyprus14308-30.html