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[miltiades]

Any time my dear friend , cant wait to meet you . Will invite VP too !!

[Viewpoint]

Viewpoint

Thank you for caring even if it is without sincerity.

VP why do you find it so difficult to accept that some of us accept and respect all Cypriots regardless of their linguistic or religious backgrounds?

humanist you are to gay and a optimistic soul but unfortunately a minority that could get us into trouble if we do not keep our wits about us and give into becoming yet another minority in a GC state.

Well mate , I and 300 thousand other Cypriots ARE a minority in the UK !!
What is it with you and these nonsense on majority and minoriry issues.

You chose to go live in the UK under English rule, if TCs are indigeous to Cyprus as you claim then they to have rights to want not to excluded from ruling this island.

[Viewpoint]

Viewpoint

Thank you for caring even if it is without sincerity.

VP why do you find it so difficult to accept that some of us accept and respect all Cypriots regardless of their linguistic or religious backgrounds?

humanist you are to gay and a optimistic soul but unfortunately a minority that could get us into trouble if we do not keep our wits about us and give into becoming yet another minority in a GC state.

Well mate , I and 300 thousand other Cypriots ARE a minority in the UK !!
What is it with you and these nonsense on majority and minoriry issues.

Lets not forget, every country in the world have a Minority groups whether they were born in those countries or migrated to. There's no shame being a minority, if in fact one is. The bigger concern is, are they treated as equals with the Majority. There is no such thing as a "partnership communities" to try and run a country. We have tried that with the 1960 Constitution, and look what happened. You cannot have two people driving a car at the same time.

It is bad enough just by having "back seat drivers", and we all know how annoying they can be.

There is no "normal" situation in Cyprus, GCs have a very bad track record of exercising democracy and human rights when it comes to TCs, thats why TCs are very apprehensive and will not leave anything to chance by allowing GCs to use the their numerical advantage to keeping out of having a say in running a united Cyprus.

[Viewpoint]

OH come on VP the settlers are a huge issue with TC"s and you know it. I heard it straight from TC's mouths when I was there. Ther fact that TC's will not go to settlers business and support them, clearly shows a problem. A two class system with a what is supposedly an independent nation.

Being gay and optiminstic has nothing to do with. I accept that after 500 years people can be regarded as Cypriots, and therefore accept evryone who has roots dating 500 years in Cyprus as Cypriots. Now whether they speak Greek Turkish or English to me is irrelevant. If only your coomunity as you wish to be referred too, identified as Cypriot we would not have a problem.

As sad as it sounds I heard some of my relatives talk about TC's and how they want divide because of their fears of drugs, gambling and job situations, but I for one believe its cry and shame that a milion people think they cannot live together, and it is all about power and individual gain. Of course Talat wants to be known as President rather than vice President. What Cypriots are not realising is that they are living with other cultural and linguistic groups everyday at the expense of their indeginous culture.

Namely the Brits who settle in Cyrus by the thousands,

Thats why Im saying as long as settlers are dealt with humanely this is an area where TCs can compromise, security and power sharing are more important issues for TCs.

You still dont understand that this we are all Cypriot equals has not caught on and many feel a GC ploy to get TCs to assimilate into a GC state as they GCs are comfortable knowing the can use the numerical advantage to keep us out of having a say in a united Cyprus. Can you imagine haivng no Tcs in government, national sports, cultural events as the GCs could votes us out of everything, just for a moment put yourselves in our shoes.

[Jerry]

Viewpoint

Thank you for caring even if it is without sincerity.

VP why do you find it so difficult to accept that some of us accept and respect all Cypriots regardless of their linguistic or religious backgrounds?

humanist you are to gay and a optimistic soul but unfortunately a minority that could get us into trouble if we do not keep our wits about us and give into becoming yet another minority in a GC state.

Well mate , I and 300 thousand other Cypriots ARE a minority in the UK !!
What is it with you and these nonsense on majority and minoriry issues.

Lets not forget, every country in the world have a Minority groups whether they were born in those countries or migrated to. There's no shame being a minority, if in fact one is. The bigger concern is, are they treated as equals with the Majority. There is no such thing as a "partnership communities" to try and run a country. We have tried that with the 1960 Constitution, and look what happened. You cannot have two people driving a car at the same time.

It is bad enough just by having "back seat drivers", and we all know how annoying they can be.

There is no "normal" situation in Cyprus, GCs have a very bad track record of exercising democracy and human rights when it comes to TCs, thats why TCs are very apprehensive and will not leave anything to chance by allowing GCs to use the their numerical advantage to keeping out of having a say in running a united Cyprus.

VP, why don't you do us all a favour - buy a one way ticket on the Syrian ferry (they need the business)

[Viewpoint]

Viewpoint

Thank you for caring even if it is without sincerity.

VP why do you find it so difficult to accept that some of us accept and respect all Cypriots regardless of their linguistic or religious backgrounds?

humanist you are to gay and a optimistic soul but unfortunately a minority that could get us into trouble if we do not keep our wits about us and give into becoming yet another minority in a GC state.

Well mate , I and 300 thousand other Cypriots ARE a minority in the UK !!
What is it with you and these nonsense on majority and minority issues.

Lets not forget, every country in the world have a Minority groups whether they were born in those countries or migrated to. There's no shame being a minority, if in fact one is. The bigger concern is, are they treated as equals with the Majority. There is no such thing as a "partnership communities" to try and run a country. We have tried that with the 1960 Constitution, and look what happened. You cannot have two people driving a car at the same time.

It is bad enough just by having "back seat drivers", and we all know how annoying they can be.

In all of my 46 years in the UK , NEVER once did I feel as a part of a minority group , precisely because on leaving Cyprus in1961 , even at the innocent , well almost innocent , age of 15 I had enough sense to realize that I was emigrating to another country and just like millions of immigrants before me , mostly Europeans going to the USA , I begun earnestly adjusting and blending in with my adopted country , unlike the medieval current immigrants who look as as if they stepped of of the stone age. Back to VP and his fear of the G/Cs being in the majority , well mate I , as a true Cypriot along with Kikapu , Birkibrisli , Ahmet , Nikitas , Humanist , Kafene , ok and bloody GR , AS WELLS AS MANY MANY MORE , will NOT DIFFERENTIATE BETWEEN G/Cs and T/Cs since we are all Cypriots.All of the above mentioned I'm convinced feel the same way as I do.
Let us not forget to mention my brother who is in Cyprus at the moment and a 100% Cypriot , in fact he is more of a true Cypriot in many ways than I'm . I wonder if the MAIN reason is that he also interacts with T/Cs on a daily basis and just like me he has done so for years , not forgetting that his wife's sister , an English girl , is married to a Turkish Cypriot , therefore his children's first cousins are half English and half T/C and visa verse with the sisters children.
I know my brother doesn't use computers in fact he has a theory that it is computers who are responsible for spreading Aids , Cancer and every other decease facing the world today !!!, But he is a character !

That is the UK, here it is a totally different ball game you have 2 communities vieing to rule a united Cyprus. Both communities are indiengous unlike you or the pakistanis etc in the UK.

[Viewpoint]

Viewpoint

Thank you for caring even if it is without sincerity.

VP why do you find it so difficult to accept that some of us accept and respect all Cypriots regardless of their linguistic or religious backgrounds?

humanist you are to gay and a optimistic soul but unfortunately a minority that could get us into trouble if we do not keep our wits about us and give into becoming yet another minority in a GC state.

Well mate , I and 300 thousand other Cypriots ARE a minority in the UK !!
What is it with you and these nonsense on majority and minoriry issues.

Lets not forget, every country in the world have a Minority groups whether they were born in those countries or migrated to. There's no shame being a minority, if in fact one is. The bigger concern is, are they treated as equals with the Majority. There is no such thing as a "partnership communities" to try and run a country. We have tried that with the 1960 Constitution, and look what happened. You cannot have two people driving a car at the same time.

It is bad enough just by having "back seat drivers", and we all know how annoying they can be.

There is no "normal" situation in Cyprus, GCs have a very bad track record of exercising democracy and human rights when it comes to TCs, thats why TCs are very apprehensive and will not leave anything to chance by allowing GCs to use the their numerical advantage to keeping out of having a say in running a united Cyprus.

VP, why don't you do us all a favour - buy a one way ticket on the Syrian ferry (they need the business)

Why?

[utu]

There is no "normal" situation in Cyprus, GCs have a very bad track record of exercising democracy and human rights when it comes to TCs, thats why TCs are very apprehensive and will not leave anything to chance by allowing GCs to use the their numerical advantage to keeping out of having a say in running a united Cyprus.

Unfortunately, Viewpoint's statement does have a ring of truth. Mistrust because of the historical animosities between Greece and Turkey did provide the catalyst for the breakdown of December 1963.

[miltiades]

VP , Both communities indeed indigenous , this does not of course include the overwhelming majority of Turkish settlers currently in the North , and surely you do not include your self as an indigenous Cypriot since you are on record stating that you view the rest of Cyprus in the same light as you view Spain , Malta or any other foreign nation.You are a hypocrite mate .

[Viewpoint]

VP , Both communities indeed indigenous , this does not of course include the overwhelming majority of Turkish settlers currently in the North , and surely you do not include your self as an indigenous Cypriot since you are on record stating that you view the rest of Cyprus in the same light as you view Spain , Malta or any other foreign nation.You are a hypocrite mate .

You are still trying to twist what was said in the past and not fresh in people minds, under the current circumstances and allowing for the last 33 years, when I and many Tcs visit the "RoC" a GC state it is no different from Italy, Turkey or the UK, only difference being its closer. Union of the 2 states would mean that both communities would be equal indigenous people with an imbalance in favor of the GCs who I am 101% sure would exploit this advantage to keep us out of contributing to the running of a united island, that's why safeguards are necessary to ensure GCs are not allowed to do this. Whats your fear? do you not trust your own community?