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[Nikitas]

Viewpoint,

SIncerity or not, the point is to get to a settlement that leaves everyone feeling that the sacrifices they make are worth making. Having a disproportionate territorial settlement is acceptable if the beneficiaries in the north are Cypriots. It is totally unacceptable if the beneficiaries are settlers.

It is not a delicate or complicated point. Any Cypriot here knows the difference. If you go out of these parameters, that is the settlement being between Cypriots, then it becomes a settlement between Greeks and Turks.

So let us clarify here what we are talking about- a sharing of the island between Greece and Turkey or a settlement between Greek Cypriots and Turkish Cypriots? Reading your posts and the sentiments they display it is not easy to tell. You tell us which way you prefer to go.

[humanist]

Viewpoint

Thank you for caring even if it is without sincerity.

VP why do you find it so difficult to accept that some of us accept and respect all Cypriots regardless of their linguistic or religious backgrounds?

[Viewpoint]

Nikitas

SIncerity or not, the point is to get to a settlement that leaves everyone feeling that the sacrifices they make are worth making. Having a disproportionate territorial settlement is acceptable if the beneficiaries in the north are Cypriots. It is totally unacceptable if the beneficiaries are settlers.

No one is arguing this point, all we are saying is these people sould be treated humanely and according to EU laws.

It is not a delicate or complicated point. Any Cypriot here knows the difference. If you go out of these parameters, that is the settlement being between Cypriots, then it becomes a settlement between Greeks and Turks.

So let us clarify here what we are talking about- a sharing of the island between Greece and Turkey or a settlement between Greek Cypriots and Turkish Cypriots? Reading your posts and the sentiments they display it is not easy to tell. You tell us which way you prefer to go.

We are Turkish Cypriots and want to agree a solution be it unficiaiton a partition with Greek Cypriots but GCs have to realize that it is no longer 1963 and in 1974 the whole ball game changed and we now have 2 equal communities trying to agree a partnership, for TCs the settlers is not very high on the list of priorities and I am certain you would not get many objecting to their departure as long as they are not forced out but rather allowed to stay if they meet certain criteria set by GCs and TCs.

[Viewpoint]

Viewpoint

Thank you for caring even if it is without sincerity.

VP why do you find it so difficult to accept that some of us accept and respect all Cypriots regardless of their linguistic or religious backgrounds?

humanist you are to gay and a optimistic soul but unfortunately a minority that could get us into trouble if we do not keep our wits about us and give into becoming yet another minority in a GC state.

[miltiades]

Viewpoint

Thank you for caring even if it is without sincerity.

VP why do you find it so difficult to accept that some of us accept and respect all Cypriots regardless of their linguistic or religious backgrounds?

humanist you are to gay and a optimistic soul but unfortunately a minority that could get us into trouble if we do not keep our wits about us and give into becoming yet another minority in a GC state.

Well mate , I and 300 thousand other Cypriots ARE a minority in the UK !!
What is it with you and these nonsense on majority and minoriry issues.

[Kikapu]

Viewpoint

Thank you for caring even if it is without sincerity.

VP why do you find it so difficult to accept that some of us accept and respect all Cypriots regardless of their linguistic or religious backgrounds?

humanist you are to gay and a optimistic soul but unfortunately a minority that could get us into trouble if we do not keep our wits about us and give into becoming yet another minority in a GC state.

Well mate , I and 300 thousand other Cypriots ARE a minority in the UK !!
What is it with you and these nonsense on majority and minoriry issues.

Lets not forget, every country in the world have a Minority groups whether they were born in those countries or migrated to. There's no shame being a minority, if in fact one is. The bigger concern is, are they treated as equals with the Majority. There is no such thing as a "partnership communities" to try and run a country. We have tried that with the 1960 Constitution, and look what happened. You cannot have two people driving a car at the same time.

It is bad enough just by having "back seat drivers", and we all know how annoying they can be.

[Nikephoros]

The Turkish nationalists had plans to Turkify the Ottoman economy and take control of the economy away from Christians. They genocided the Armenians and seized their biggest financial assets. They pogromed Greek in 1955, issued Secret Aministrative Deportations in the 1960s. They invaded the richest area of Cyprus with the best industry, farmland and tourist areas.

Today millions of Turks have immigrated to Europe after succeding in putting the economy in the hands of dirty Allah worshipping muslims. Meanwhile in Turkey Neurwith estimates that 40% to half the population of istanbul live in slums(gecekondu). In the TRNC most the popuation is settlers, the Turkish Cypriots live more in Turkey and the UK. This fanatic just muslim nation just destroys every non-muslim community it happens upon and then creates a diaspora in Western Christian countries becasue they cannot possibly run an economy. All they can run is a mosque, drug trafficking, slum building, a genocide, etc....

The Turkish hordes must be stopped and it is certain no Neo-Cypriot idiot is up to the task or no mainland Greek politican.

[humanist]

OH come on VP the settlers are a huge issue with TC"s and you know it. I heard it straight from TC's mouths when I was there. Ther fact that TC's will not go to settlers business and support them, clearly shows a problem. A two class system with a what is supposedly an independent nation.

Being gay and optiminstic has nothing to do with. I accept that after 500 years people can be regarded as Cypriots, and therefore accept evryone who has roots dating 500 years in Cyprus as Cypriots. Now whether they speak Greek Turkish or English to me is irrelevant. If only your coomunity as you wish to be referred too, identified as Cypriot we would not have a problem.

As sad as it sounds I heard some of my relatives talk about TC's and how they want divide because of their fears of drugs, gambling and job situations, but I for one believe its cry and shame that a milion people think they cannot live together, and it is all about power and individual gain. Of course Talat wants to be known as President rather than vice President. What Cypriots are not realising is that they are living with other cultural and linguistic groups everyday at the expense of their indeginous culture.

Namely the Brits who settle in Cyrus by the thousands,

[miltiades]

Viewpoint

Thank you for caring even if it is without sincerity.

VP why do you find it so difficult to accept that some of us accept and respect all Cypriots regardless of their linguistic or religious backgrounds?

humanist you are to gay and a optimistic soul but unfortunately a minority that could get us into trouble if we do not keep our wits about us and give into becoming yet another minority in a GC state.

Well mate , I and 300 thousand other Cypriots ARE a minority in the UK !!
What is it with you and these nonsense on majority and minority issues.

Lets not forget, every country in the world have a Minority groups whether they were born in those countries or migrated to. There's no shame being a minority, if in fact one is. The bigger concern is, are they treated as equals with the Majority. There is no such thing as a "partnership communities" to try and run a country. We have tried that with the 1960 Constitution, and look what happened. You cannot have two people driving a car at the same time.

It is bad enough just by having "back seat drivers", and we all know how annoying they can be.

In all of my 46 years in the UK , NEVER once did I feel as a part of a minority group , precisely because on leaving Cyprus in1961 , even at the innocent , well almost innocent , age of 15 I had enough sense to realize that I was emigrating to another country and just like millions of immigrants before me , mostly Europeans going to the USA , I begun earnestly adjusting and blending in with my adopted country , unlike the medieval current immigrants who look as as if they stepped of of the stone age. Back to VP and his fear of the G/Cs being in the majority , well mate I , as a true Cypriot along with Kikapu , Birkibrisli , Ahmet , Nikitas , Humanist , Kafene , ok and bloody GR , AS WELLS AS MANY MANY MORE , will NOT DIFFERENTIATE BETWEEN G/Cs and T/Cs since we are all Cypriots.All of the above mentioned I'm convinced feel the same way as I do.
Let us not forget to mention my brother who is in Cyprus at the moment and a 100% Cypriot , in fact he is more of a true Cypriot in many ways than I'm . I wonder if the MAIN reason is that he also interacts with T/Cs on a daily basis and just like me he has done so for years , not forgetting that his wife's sister , an English girl , is married to a Turkish Cypriot , therefore his children's first cousins are half English and half T/C and visa verse with the sisters children.
I know my brother doesn't use computers in fact he has a theory that it is computers who are responsible for spreading Aids , Cancer and every other decease facing the world today !!!, But he is a character !

[Kikapu]

Viewpoint

Thank you for caring even if it is without sincerity.

VP why do you find it so difficult to accept that some of us accept and respect all Cypriots regardless of their linguistic or religious backgrounds?

humanist you are to gay and a optimistic soul but unfortunately a minority that could get us into trouble if we do not keep our wits about us and give into becoming yet another minority in a GC state.

Well mate , I and 300 thousand other Cypriots ARE a minority in the UK !!
What is it with you and these nonsense on majority and minority issues.

Lets not forget, every country in the world have a Minority groups whether they were born in those countries or migrated to. There's no shame being a minority, if in fact one is. The bigger concern is, are they treated as equals with the Majority. There is no such thing as a "partnership communities" to try and run a country. We have tried that with the 1960 Constitution, and look what happened. You cannot have two people driving a car at the same time.

It is bad enough just by having "back seat drivers", and we all know how annoying they can be.

In all of my 46 years in the UK , NEVER once did I feel as a part of a minority group , precisely because on leaving Cyprus in1961 , even at the innocent , well almost innocent , age of 15 I had enough sense to realize that I was emigrating to another country and just like millions of immigrants before me , mostly Europeans going to the USA , I begun earnestly adjusting and blending in with my adopted country , unlike the medieval current immigrants who look as as if they stepped of of the stone age. Back to VP and his fear of the G/Cs being in the majority , well mate I , as a true Cypriot along with Kikapu , Birkibrisli , Ahmet , Nikitas , Humanist , Kafene , ok and bloody GR , AS WELLS AS MANY MANY MORE , will NOT DIFFERENTIATE BETWEEN G/Cs and T/Cs since we are all Cypriots.All of the above mentioned I'm convinced feel the same way as I do.
Let us not forget to mention my brother who is in Cyprus at the moment and a 100% Cypriot , in fact he is more of a true Cypriot in many ways than I'm . I wonder if the MAIN reason is that he also interacts with T/Cs on a daily basis and just like me he has done so for years , not forgetting that his wife's sister , an English girl , is married to a Turkish Cypriot , therefore his children's first cousins are half English and half T/C and visa verse with the sisters children.
I know my brother doesn't use computers in fact he has a theory that it is computers who are responsible for spreading Aids , Cancer and every other decease facing the world today !!!, But he is a character !

Miltiades,

How are you my friend.?? We have not had too many conversations with each other lately, but your support for me has not gone unnoticed during times of turmoil with my TC "friends" on the forum, who are only willing to see things from their own point of view, and not from a point of view as a Cypriot. And of course, you are correct in what you have written above.

Hope to get together in London for a drink one of these days.