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[Nikitas]

OK Viewpoint, have it your way.

But there is a symbolic matter here. My opinion is that ALL citizens should, in theory at least, be able to aspire to the highest office of their country and also vote for the candidate to the same office. That is the second reason for having the presidency open to all citizens and not reserved exclusively for one community. The rotating presidency of the Annan plan did not fulfill this condition in a democratic way. In that case a person most of the people did not vote for would be president (ie half of the Greek Cypriots or half of the Turkish Cypriots).

[miltiades]

Well Viewpoint you do not know GCs! If you think that the political parties in the south would unite to present a racially unified front you really are mistaken! Even during the days of the invasion in 1974 they were not united! They were still fighting each other.

No, my view is different. I think that they would all hire TC communications managers to translate their campaign into Turkish language leaflets, TV spots, etc. They would all get TC translators to translate their speeches when they appear on TV or speak on the radio. That is how it would happen. You need to read some GC newspapers and follow the political debate going on the south. No GC politician is gong to allow others to benefit from a decisive vote.

To remind you once more, we are talking about this happening in a Federal system where the rights of the TCs are guaranteed. The purpose is to have politics that span the ethnic communities.

One last point- the president of the Democratic Party, the one founded by the late President Kyprianou is now headed by an Armenian.

I disagree, when the matter is a national one and concerns TCs GCs will unite to ensure we do not get a look in, this is a big concern for us.

With regards to TC guaranteed representation this is all we ask for with added guarantees that we can stop any decision that will effect our community negatively. We have to have the right to say no.

You have expressed your concerns many times but have never told us exactly in what areas are your concerns more prominent. Perhaps an example might be needed.

[Viewpoint]

OK Viewpoint, have it your way.

But there is a symbolic matter here. My opinion is that ALL citizens should, in theory at least, be able to aspire to the highest office of their country and also vote for the candidate to the same office. That is the second reason for having the presidency open to all citizens and not reserved exclusively for one community. The rotating presidency of the Annan plan did not fulfill this condition in a democratic way. In that case a person most of the people did not vote for would be president (ie half of the Greek Cypriots or half of the Turkish Cypriots).

Who gives a shit about the president that can easily be resolved by having joint candidates one TC one GC, whats important for TCs is having a say in our future and being able to say no where it is necessary.

[Viewpoint]

Well Viewpoint you do not know GCs! If you think that the political parties in the south would unite to present a racially unified front you really are mistaken! Even during the days of the invasion in 1974 they were not united! They were still fighting each other.

No, my view is different. I think that they would all hire TC communications managers to translate their campaign into Turkish language leaflets, TV spots, etc. They would all get TC translators to translate their speeches when they appear on TV or speak on the radio. That is how it would happen. You need to read some GC newspapers and follow the political debate going on the south. No GC politician is gong to allow others to benefit from a decisive vote.

To remind you once more, we are talking about this happening in a Federal system where the rights of the TCs are guaranteed. The purpose is to have politics that span the ethnic communities.

One last point- the president of the Democratic Party, the one founded by the late President Kyprianou is now headed by an Armenian.

I disagree, when the matter is a national one and concerns TCs GCs will unite to ensure we do not get a look in, this is a big concern for us.

With regards to TC guaranteed representation this is all we ask for with added guarantees that we can stop any decision that will effect our community negatively. We have to have the right to say no.

You have expressed your concerns many times but have never told us exactly in what areas are your concerns more prominent. Perhaps an example might be needed.

Read my last 6408 posts.

[Get Real!]

Read my last 6408 posts.

How much time have we got???

[Viewpoint]

Read my last 6408 posts.

How much time have we got???

6 weeks 24 hours a day you may just make it.

[miltiades]

Well Viewpoint you do not know GCs! If you think that the political parties in the south would unite to present a racially unified front you really are mistaken! Even during the days of the invasion in 1974 they were not united! They were still fighting each other.

No, my view is different. I think that they would all hire TC communications managers to translate their campaign into Turkish language leaflets, TV spots, etc. They would all get TC translators to translate their speeches when they appear on TV or speak on the radio. That is how it would happen. You need to read some GC newspapers and follow the political debate going on the south. No GC politician is gong to allow others to benefit from a decisive vote.

To remind you once more, we are talking about this happening in a Federal system where the rights of the TCs are guaranteed. The purpose is to have politics that span the ethnic communities.

One last point- the president of the Democratic Party, the one founded by the late President Kyprianou is now headed by an Armenian.

I disagree, when the matter is a national one and concerns TCs GCs will unite to ensure we do not get a look in, this is a big concern for us.

With regards to TC guaranteed representation this is all we ask for with added guarantees that we can stop any decision that will effect our community negatively. We have to have the right to say no.

You have expressed your concerns many times but have never told us exactly in what areas are your concerns more prominent. Perhaps an example might be needed.

Read my last 6408 posts.

The truth of the matter is that you have NOTHING of substance to back up your preposterous agenda that the ROC represents a threat to the T/Cs
and that they will be treated differently to the rest of Cypriots. We are a European nation and DO come under the scrutiny of the EU .In case you haven't noticed we are , unlike Turkey , well into the 21st century and accountable not only to the citizens of Cyprus but to the citizens of every civilized nation on earth.
The closest you came to informing us of your concerns has been your frequent use of the Pakistanis in the UK , who again are VERY VERY Happy to be in the UK and away from the political mess , corruption and poverty of their birth country.

[Kikapu]

OK Viewpoint, have it your way.

But there is a symbolic matter here. My opinion is that ALL citizens should, in theory at least, be able to aspire to the highest office of their country and also vote for the candidate to the same office. That is the second reason for having the presidency open to all citizens and not reserved exclusively for one community. The rotating presidency of the Annan plan did not fulfill this condition in a democratic way. In that case a person most of the people did not vote for would be president (ie half of the Greek Cypriots or half of the Turkish Cypriots).

Who gives a shit about the president that can easily be resolved by having joint candidates one TC one GC, whats important for TCs is having a say in our future and being able to say no where it is necessary.

You can say No anytime you want. All you have to do, is to convince the others to join you in saying No. All decision taken by the politicians and law makers will effect TC's and GC's equally. With your 18% as a block, if you can keep the Moderates and the Fascist together long enough to vote together as a block, will have a great impact. As Nikitas told you already, not all the GC's political party vote as a block. You have concerns, but those concerns have nothing to do with not having a voice. You want a special veto power to say No when ever you want. Sorry, but that's not how True Democracy works, and if you were so much in love with that veto power system, why don't you return back to the 1960 Constitution, where you had a TC vice President and a Veto Power.

[miltiades]

Kikapu , as well as many many more T/Cs , knows that just as I would not support a politician because he is a G/C neither would he support a politician because he is a T/C . The Scots will no tnecessarily support Brown because he is a Scot , why should it be different in Cyprus in the very near future.The first thing we ought to face head on is the fanatics , VP amongst the top echelons of the fascists.

[Kikapu]

Why not , Pakistanis and Indians and Africans are elected to Parliament in the UK , WHY NOT IN CYPRUS.
I would most certainly without a shadow of a doubt support and vote for a party that embraces T/C politicians , it takes courage but it is not beyond the boundaries or realm. The day will come when the likes of PhoeniX , Benelos and the great impostor VP will be laid to rest because they represent what is ugly and inhuman in Cyprus.
Long may the voices of reason continue to play a leading role benefiting our people , our island.

Yet again pure utopia, you havent got a clue...80% vs 20% imbalance would ensure Gcs vote their own in and TCs are left out in the cold, your we are all Cypriots crap will soon hit the fan when you get what you want a GC state with TCs reduced to just another minority. Thats why you are comfortable knowing you have the numerical advantage, you dupe people like Bir and Kiaiakpoulous.

I have given the TC's best possible solution short of a Partition with this PLAN
http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=12055 , but it is not good enough to you, because you do not want a solution but instead a Partition, so it is not worth the effort to talk sense to you.

If you want me to continue being civil with you, watch what you write.

Please read my responses to your plan and remind yourself of the outcome.

What do you want me to watch???

Its really the Gcs that the BBF idea has to be sold to, not many are in favor...The TCs have been saying this for ages dont forget the demonized AP was a BBF solution according to 99% of the world.

This was the only thing I could find from your contribution to my plan. Is this what you are talking about ?

I know that you supported "Kifeas's Plan" from last year and another similar plan that I wrote last year, but since then all you have talked about is Partition or BBF as in 2 independent states with a very weak central government, like a Confederation, with the North basically becoming Turkish Only State.

Did you say anything else that I may have missed perhaps, and if so, please tell me where I can read it.

What do you want me to watch?

I be sure to let you know next time you make a "slip".