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[Kikapu]

Viewpoint said:

"Wake up you plonker how may GCs would vote for a TC president, they would die first rather than see a TC in power. "

Of all the post this is what you understood!!! You do not appreciate that the TC community with 18 per cent of the vote will decide WHO becomes president. The only thing you want to have is a TC for president! You are so unimaginative!!

With 82% of the vote in your favor your response is only to be expected. Please clarify how 18% will swing into power against a racist and despot GC community, we will be at the mercy of GCs.

Now that you recognize that a TC is not going to be president of Cyprus anytime soon, but does not mean that the TC's will not have any power in a coalition based government with their 18%, why don't you ask for 18% of Northern Cyprus to be given to you by the RoC with full recognition, so that you can have all the TC Presidents or more likely, a Turk presidents all you want. You do have an option, but you refuse to take it. Why is that.??

I'll get to your mother's land question tomorrow.

[boomerang]

VP plays the 18/82% ratio when it suits him and then plays the 37/63% when it comes to land...how convinient

[Jerry]

Observer,

Cut the crap will you! Equating the Sri Lankans with mainland Turkish settlers makes your post totally silly. Sri Lankans are not "settled" by the government in homes left behind by Turkish Cypriots, they do not get Cypriot nationality, nor do they get government appointments, run newspapers and tv stations etc.

So leave the bullshit aside and admit the truth. Other notable Turkish Cypriots like party leadedr Akinci, and the journalist Sener Levent call these people what they are- settlers and colonists. Their presence is a problem and will become an even bigger problem for YOU in the future. With them in Cyprus there can be no true solution and if they stay they will outnumber and eventually extinguish Turkish Cypriots. Your choice what you do with them.

Nikitas is absolutely right on this; mainland Turks (many of them Kurds) were encouraged to settle in the "conquered land" to make the north more Turkish. In my opinion this attempt at changing the demography of Cyprus was almost worse than the invasion itself, invading troops could eventually leave the island but removing settlers and their descendants is a much more difficult problem. Turkey is holding a gun to the head of the Cypriots saying: "hurry up and agree to a solution before the island becomes even more Turkish". The response of the ROC is "agree to our terms or you will never get into the EU". It's difficult to decide who will win this struggle but one thing is certain, it won't be the Cypriots who determine their future but events and attitudes outside the island.

Its funny that urkey sends a lot of Kurds to the North of Cyprus to Turkify it more. Sorry Jerry, come again!

Oh very clever Deniz, I'm sure urkey (as you call it) has many "tame" Kurds that in most respects are as Turkish the rest. I believe many of them were used by urkey.
I recall that the female Kurdish demonstrator that set light to herself in London a few years ago said that she and her family had been sent to north Cyprus as immigrants, they did'nt like it there so they claimed asylum in the UK; they were used to manipulate the demography of Cyprus. Being Turkish or Kurdish from the mainland and speaking in Turkish they are more likely to "Turkify" the island than anyone else.

[denizaksulu]

Observer,

Cut the crap will you! Equating the Sri Lankans with mainland Turkish settlers makes your post totally silly. Sri Lankans are not "settled" by the government in homes left behind by Turkish Cypriots, they do not get Cypriot nationality, nor do they get government appointments, run newspapers and tv stations etc.

So leave the bullshit aside and admit the truth. Other notable Turkish Cypriots like party leadedr Akinci, and the journalist Sener Levent call these people what they are- settlers and colonists. Their presence is a problem and will become an even bigger problem for YOU in the future. With them in Cyprus there can be no true solution and if they stay they will outnumber and eventually extinguish Turkish Cypriots. Your choice what you do with them.

Nikitas is absolutely right on this; mainland Turks (many of them Kurds) were encouraged to settle in the "conquered land" to make the north more Turkish. In my opinion this attempt at changing the demography of Cyprus was almost worse than the invasion itself, invading troops could eventually leave the island but removing settlers and their descendants is a much more difficult problem. Turkey is holding a gun to the head of the Cypriots saying: "hurry up and agree to a solution before the island becomes even more Turkish". The response of the ROC is "agree to our terms or you will never get into the EU". It's difficult to decide who will win this struggle but one thing is certain, it won't be the Cypriots who determine their future but events and attitudes outside the island.

Its funny that urkey sends a lot of Kurds to the North of Cyprus to Turkify it more. Sorry Jerry, come again!

Oh very clever Deniz, I'm sure urkey (as you call it) has many "tame" Kurds that in most respects are as Turkish the rest. I believe many of them were used by urkey.
I recall that the female Kurdish demonstrator that set light to herself in London a few years ago said that she and her family had been sent to north Cyprus as immigrants, they did'nt like it there so they claimed asylum in the UK; they were used to manipulate the demography of Cyprus. Being Turkish or Kurdish from the mainland and speaking in Turkish they are more likely to "Turkify" the island than anyone else.

Cant you tell a typo error, or do you expect everyone to be perfect to a 'T'.

I know what you meant, but when read, it does sound weird. My family employ a number of Kurdish people with families too. They have indeed brought with them their Culture and Cuisine which I find delicious.

[phoenix]

Observer,

Cut the crap will you! Equating the Sri Lankans with mainland Turkish settlers makes your post totally silly. Sri Lankans are not "settled" by the government in homes left behind by Turkish Cypriots, they do not get Cypriot nationality, nor do they get government appointments, run newspapers and tv stations etc.

So leave the bullshit aside and admit the truth. Other notable Turkish Cypriots like party leadedr Akinci, and the journalist Sener Levent call these people what they are- settlers and colonists. Their presence is a problem and will become an even bigger problem for YOU in the future. With them in Cyprus there can be no true solution and if they stay they will outnumber and eventually extinguish Turkish Cypriots. Your choice what you do with them.

Nikitas is absolutely right on this; mainland Turks (many of them Kurds) were encouraged to settle in the "conquered land" to make the north more Turkish. In my opinion this attempt at changing the demography of Cyprus was almost worse than the invasion itself, invading troops could eventually leave the island but removing settlers and their descendants is a much more difficult problem. Turkey is holding a gun to the head of the Cypriots saying: "hurry up and agree to a solution before the island becomes even more Turkish". The response of the ROC is "agree to our terms or you will never get into the EU". It's difficult to decide who will win this struggle but one thing is certain, it won't be the Cypriots who determine their future but events and attitudes outside the island.

Its funny that urkey sends a lot of Kurds to the North of Cyprus to Turkify it more. Sorry Jerry, come again!

Oh very clever Deniz, I'm sure urkey (as you call it) has many "tame" Kurds that in most respects are as Turkish the rest. I believe many of them were used by urkey.
I recall that the female Kurdish demonstrator that set light to herself in London a few years ago said that she and her family had been sent to north Cyprus as immigrants, they did'nt like it there so they claimed asylum in the UK; they were used to manipulate the demography of Cyprus. Being Turkish or Kurdish from the mainland and speaking in Turkish they are more likely to "Turkify" the island than anyone else.

Bloody Urks !

[Jerry]

Observer,

Cut the crap will you! Equating the Sri Lankans with mainland Turkish settlers makes your post totally silly. Sri Lankans are not "settled" by the government in homes left behind by Turkish Cypriots, they do not get Cypriot nationality, nor do they get government appointments, run newspapers and tv stations etc.

So leave the bullshit aside and admit the truth. Other notable Turkish Cypriots like party leadedr Akinci, and the journalist Sener Levent call these people what they are- settlers and colonists. Their presence is a problem and will become an even bigger problem for YOU in the future. With them in Cyprus there can be no true solution and if they stay they will outnumber and eventually extinguish Turkish Cypriots. Your choice what you do with them.

Nikitas is absolutely right on this; mainland Turks (many of them Kurds) were encouraged to settle in the "conquered land" to make the north more Turkish. In my opinion this attempt at changing the demography of Cyprus was almost worse than the invasion itself, invading troops could eventually leave the island but removing settlers and their descendants is a much more difficult problem. Turkey is holding a gun to the head of the Cypriots saying: "hurry up and agree to a solution before the island becomes even more Turkish". The response of the ROC is "agree to our terms or you will never get into the EU". It's difficult to decide who will win this struggle but one thing is certain, it won't be the Cypriots who determine their future but events and attitudes outside the island.

Its funny that urkey sends a lot of Kurds to the North of Cyprus to Turkify it more. Sorry Jerry, come again!

Oh very clever Deniz, I'm sure urkey (as you call it) has many "tame" Kurds that in most respects are as Turkish the rest. I believe many of them were used by urkey.
I recall that the female Kurdish demonstrator that set light to herself in London a few years ago said that she and her family had been sent to north Cyprus as immigrants, they did'nt like it there so they claimed asylum in the UK; they were used to manipulate the demography of Cyprus. Being Turkish or Kurdish from the mainland and speaking in Turkish they are more likely to "Turkify" the island than anyone else.

Cant you tell a typo error, or do you expect everyone to be perfect to a 'T'.

I know what you meant, but when read, it does sound weird. My family employ a number of Kurdish people with families too. They have indeed brought with them their Culture and Cuisine which I find delicious.

lways heck my pots efoe sumit niz.

[Nikitas]

Viewpoint said:

"With 82% of the vote in your favor your response is only to be expected. Please clarify how 18% will swing into power against a racist and despot GC community, we will be at the mercy of GCs."

Now just think how the elections in the RoC would be going if TCs were participating! The 18 per cent vote would be enough to elect a president from the first round. All candidates would be eager to get that vote and they would be making plans for the TC community. No one would dare ignore the TC vote. Are you getting it now VP?

The proposal was for this system to be incorporated in a Federal solution- ALL citizens vote for the president, ONLY TCs vote for the Vice President. ALthough the system can be seen as UNFAIR TO GCs it does encourage the cooperation of policians across the ethnic divide, and this is what we are lacking in Cyprus since 1960.

If you VP had the interests of the TCs in mind you would see the benefits of such an idea. But their interests do not really concern you. We know that much by now.

[Viewpoint]

Viewpoint said:

"With 82% of the vote in your favor your response is only to be expected. Please clarify how 18% will swing into power against a racist and despot GC community, we will be at the mercy of GCs."

Now just think how the elections in the RoC would be going if TCs were participating! The 18 per cent vote would be enough to elect a president from the first round. All candidates would be eager to get that vote and they would be making plans for the TC community. No one would dare ignore the TC vote. Are you getting it now VP?

The proposal was for this system to be incorporated in a Federal solution- ALL citizens vote for the president, ONLY TCs vote for the Vice President. ALthough the system can be seen as UNFAIR TO GCs it does encourage the cooperation of policians across the ethnic divide, and this is what we are lacking in Cyprus since 1960.

If you VP had the interests of the TCs in mind you would see the benefits of such an idea. But their interests do not really concern you. We know that much by now.

You read but obviously you do not understand that 82% block voting is dangerous, GCs without political maturity would use this to ensure a GC candidate was always elected irrelevant of whether they were the best choice, can you not see the risk or do you not want to acknowledge it just because you are a GC and therefore in the 82%.

[Nikitas]

Well Viewpoint you do not know GCs! If you think that the political parties in the south would unite to present a racially unified front you really are mistaken! Even during the days of the invasion in 1974 they were not united! They were still fighting each other.

No, my view is different. I think that they would all hire TC communications managers to translate their campaign into Turkish language leaflets, TV spots, etc. They would all get TC translators to translate their speeches when they appear on TV or speak on the radio. That is how it would happen. You need to read some GC newspapers and follow the political debate going on the south. No GC politician is gong to allow others to benefit from a decisive vote.

To remind you once more, we are talking about this happening in a Federal system where the rights of the TCs are guaranteed. The purpose is to have politics that span the ethnic communities.

One last point- the president of the Democratic Party, the one founded by the late President Kyprianou is now headed by an Armenian.

[Viewpoint]

Well Viewpoint you do not know GCs! If you think that the political parties in the south would unite to present a racially unified front you really are mistaken! Even during the days of the invasion in 1974 they were not united! They were still fighting each other.

No, my view is different. I think that they would all hire TC communications managers to translate their campaign into Turkish language leaflets, TV spots, etc. They would all get TC translators to translate their speeches when they appear on TV or speak on the radio. That is how it would happen. You need to read some GC newspapers and follow the political debate going on the south. No GC politician is gong to allow others to benefit from a decisive vote.

To remind you once more, we are talking about this happening in a Federal system where the rights of the TCs are guaranteed. The purpose is to have politics that span the ethnic communities.

One last point- the president of the Democratic Party, the one founded by the late President Kyprianou is now headed by an Armenian.

I disagree, when the matter is a national one and concerns TCs GCs will unite to ensure we do not get a look in, this is a big concern for us.

With regards to TC guaranteed representation this is all we ask for with added guarantees that we can stop any decision that will effect our community negatively. We have to have the right to say no.