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[miltiades]

Why not , Pakistanis and Indians and Africans are elected to Parliament in the UK , WHY NOT IN CYPRUS.
I would most certainly without a shadow of a doubt support and vote for a party that embraces T/C politicians , it takes courage but it is not beyond the boundaries or realm. The day will come when the likes of PhoeniX , Benelos and the great impostor VP will be laid to rest because they represent what is ugly and inhuman in Cyprus.
Long may the voices of reason continue to play a leading role benefiting our people , our island.

[Viewpoint]

Why not , Pakistanis and Indians and Africans are elected to Parliament in the UK , WHY NOT IN CYPRUS.
I would most certainly without a shadow of a doubt support and vote for a party that embraces T/C politicians , it takes courage but it is not beyond the boundaries or realm. The day will come when the likes of PhoeniX , Benelos and the great impostor VP will be laid to rest because they represent what is ugly and inhuman in Cyprus.
Long may the voices of reason continue to play a leading role benefiting our people , our island.

Yet again pure utopia, you havent got a clue...80% vs 20% imbalance would ensure Gcs vote their own in and TCs are left out in the cold, your we are all Cypriots crap will soon hit the fan when you get what you want a GC state with TCs reduced to just another minority. Thats why you are comfortable knowing you have the numerical advantage, you dupe people like Bir and Kiaiakpoulous.

[miltiades]

Why not , Pakistanis and Indians and Africans are elected to Parliament in the UK , WHY NOT IN CYPRUS.
I would most certainly without a shadow of a doubt support and vote for a party that embraces T/C politicians , it takes courage but it is not beyond the boundaries or realm. The day will come when the likes of PhoeniX , Benelos and the great impostor VP will be laid to rest because they represent what is ugly and inhuman in Cyprus.
Long may the voices of reason continue to play a leading role benefiting our people , our island.

Yet again pure utopia, you havent got a clue...80% vs 20% imbalance would ensure Gcs vote their own in and TCs are left out in the cold, your we are all Cypriots crap will soon hit the fan when you get what you want a GC state with TCs reduced to just another minority. Thats why you are comfortable knowing you have the numerical advantage, you dupe people like Bir and Kiaiakpoulous.

For a man who was not even born in Cyprus , you have a weird way of interpreting my feelings . I disliked your views right from the start , I see in you an enemy of the people of Cyprus both the T/Cs , G/Cs and all other Cypriots. I have never come across such a blinkered fascist like you. You were born in the UK , You were brought up on a diet of pure hatred , I know hundreds if not 10s of hundreds of T/Cs in the UK . I have never never come across AGAINST AN INDIVIDUAL WITH SUCH DISCREDITED IDEAS AS YOU . You are , along with a number of other fanatical sickos , the poison of Cyprus , the type of an individual that would empty a magazine of bullets on innocent women and children purely because they are not part of his warped and nasty clan.
The difference between the two of us mate is that I consider the T/Cs as my people and you bloody well DONT . You only consider your own clan , that of the bloody fascists.
Go to hell mate , dont kid your self that the T/Cs are your people, I challenge you to put it to the vote on this forum , YOU WOULD LOSE.

[Nikitas]

I agree with Miltiades about the need to have mixed political parties. The total separation of the communities along ethnic lines is nonsense. A TC communist has much in common with a GC communist, as would members of other political leanings have with their counterparts.

Having guarantees for the minority community is understandable, but the highest elected office in the country ought to be open to all citizens. It is improbable that a minority community citizen would be elected, but voting by all citizens for the president would make all parties sit and listen to the desires of all communities. The office of vice president could be reserved exclusivley for the TC community and they and only they vote for the Vice President. The result would be joint presidential campaigns with running mates selected before the elections and lots of cooperation at grass roots level. This is how true federations are run. What we had in Cyprus was an attempt to run two countries in one and inevitably it did not work.

[Get Real!]

Yet again pure utopia, you havent got a clue...80% vs 20% imbalance would ensure Gcs vote their own in and TCs are left out in the cold, your we are all Cypriots crap will soon hit the fan when you get what you want a GC state with TCs reduced to just another minority. Thats why you are comfortable knowing you have the numerical advantage, you dupe people like Bir and Kiaiakpoulous.

Hello? The TC community IS "just another minority" because it certainly isn't a "special minority"!

On a different note VP, if one or more of your parents is Turkish you do realize you have no chance of being granted RoC citizenship? Is that why you're hell bent on partition?

[miltiades]

I agree with Miltiades about the need to have mixed political parties. The total separation of the communities along ethnic lines is nonsense. A TC communist has much in common with a GC communist, as would members of other political leanings have with their counterparts.

Having guarantees for the minority community is understandable, but the highest elected office in the country ought to be open to all citizens. It is improbable that a minority community citizen would be elected, but voting by all citizens for the president would make all parties sit and listen to the desires of all communities. The office of vice president could be reserved exclusivley for the TC community and they and only they vote for the Vice President. The result would be joint presidential campaigns with running mates selected before the elections and lots of cooperation at grass roots level. This is how true federations are run. What we had in Cyprus was an attempt to run two countries in one and inevitably it did not work.

Entirery correct , after all not only in the UK but throughout the world , political parties are open to all , not only to the dominant race or rather the numericaly larger . France has a president with strong Hungarian connections, Britain has a Scotish Prime minister , why not a Pancyprian party encompassing all Cypriots. I wonder what exactly VP means by the majority having the upper hand ? Perhaps he can tell us one or two detrimental effects that he believes the T/C would suffer . He often mentions the Pakistanis in the UK , WONDER WHAT HE MEANS BY THAT !!

[denizaksulu]

Observer,

Cut the crap will you! Equating the Sri Lankans with mainland Turkish settlers makes your post totally silly. Sri Lankans are not "settled" by the government in homes left behind by Turkish Cypriots, they do not get Cypriot nationality, nor do they get government appointments, run newspapers and tv stations etc.

So leave the bullshit aside and admit the truth. Other notable Turkish Cypriots like party leadedr Akinci, and the journalist Sener Levent call these people what they are- settlers and colonists. Their presence is a problem and will become an even bigger problem for YOU in the future. With them in Cyprus there can be no true solution and if they stay they will outnumber and eventually extinguish Turkish Cypriots. Your choice what you do with them.

Nikitas is absolutely right on this; mainland Turks (many of them Kurds) were encouraged to settle in the "conquered land" to make the north more Turkish. In my opinion this attempt at changing the demography of Cyprus was almost worse than the invasion itself, invading troops could eventually leave the island but removing settlers and their descendants is a much more difficult problem. Turkey is holding a gun to the head of the Cypriots saying: "hurry up and agree to a solution before the island becomes even more Turkish". The response of the ROC is "agree to our terms or you will never get into the EU". It's difficult to decide who will win this struggle but one thing is certain, it won't be the Cypriots who determine their future but events and attitudes outside the island.

Its funny that urkey sends a lot of Kurds to the North of Cyprus to Turkify it more. Sorry Jerry, come again!

[Nikitas]

VP seems to be at a loss for words at the proposal that Turkish Cypriots are eligible to be elected as president and can also vote for the president. It would in effect make them powermakers in the state. No one who wants to be voted would dare ignore 18 per cent of the vote. In addition they would have a guaranteed position of vice president exculsively chosen by and from their community. Perhaps the idea is too radical for the partitionist frame of mind.

[Kikapu]

Are you telling us, your family has not gotten 100 Donums of stolen GC land in return, in the North, and at the same time, maintain ownership of their own 100 Donums in the RoC.?

Correct and there are many TCs famalies like us.

I got all the other answers...thanks., but the above has couple of question in one, so I don't know which one you answered "correct" to. Please clarify to what the "correct" was for.

1. Are you telling us, your family has not gotten 100 Donums of stolen GC land in return, in the North.??

2. ...and at the same time, maintain ownership of their own 100 Donums in the RoC.?

I have already answered question one, we have got nothing for this land in the TRNC.

And to your second question do you exactly know what I have to go through in your perfect "RoC" to claim my land? or are you yet again clueless?

Thanks for answering my above questions, and as for TC land in the RoC .....

Oh yes, more than you think I know and it doesn't look too good for the TC's in the event of a settlement, if they have not kept up with the paperwork after each passing away of the registered owners.!!

I assume the GC's have been making the changes of ownership of their land with the legal system and within their families, but I think most TC's are resigned to believing the "TRNC" and it's establishment is going to stay for ever, and have not kept up with the legal paperwork or the adjustment of ownership of their land within their families and according with the Cyprus Constitution and land ownership requirements.

Could you kindly answer my question as I answered yours, its called common courtesy.

I already gave you an answer, which was "Oh yes, more than you think I know".

I did not know that you wanted the information in detail.

I never claimed that the RoC is perfect by the way.

The least problematic way of a TC getting their land back in the RoC is as follows.

1. You are the ONLY one who is registered as the land owner of that property.
2. You were not living in Cyprus at the time of the Invasion in 1974.
3. You have not lived in the "TRNC" since 1983, own, bought and sold GC property, including the "exchanged land" that was given to TC's against their land in the RoC.

Those who do not meet the basic rules above, also needs to live in the RoC for six months.

If you meet all of the above, your land is waiting for you in the RoC to do as you wish VP.

It gets more complicated as each situation is different. If you want to give me the complete history of your family's land in the RoC, then I can tell you all the difficulties in getting the land back due to circumstances.

For instance, who owns the 100 Donums. Is it you, your father/ mother, your grandfather/grandmother, does your great uncles and uncles and cousins have a share in the 100 Donums. Was the land passed down to family members by a "WIL" or was it "PROBATE" and the whole legal work was done in the RoC under Cypriot Laws and not the "TRNC" which is not recognised. Did some family members go through the "point assignment" system in the "TRNC" to be given "exchanged land" and the 100 Donums was split in smaller pieces, and some of your relatives have gotten GC land in return for their share in the 100 Donums. Also, is the 100 Donums ONE Parcel of land or many. If one Parcel and other family members also have a share in it, also a big problem.

Anyway, if you want to list all of your families information, I might be able to give you more information.

[Kikapu]

Why not , Pakistanis and Indians and Africans are elected to Parliament in the UK , WHY NOT IN CYPRUS.
I would most certainly without a shadow of a doubt support and vote for a party that embraces T/C politicians , it takes courage but it is not beyond the boundaries or realm. The day will come when the likes of PhoeniX , Benelos and the great impostor VP will be laid to rest because they represent what is ugly and inhuman in Cyprus.
Long may the voices of reason continue to play a leading role benefiting our people , our island.

Yet again pure utopia, you havent got a clue...80% vs 20% imbalance would ensure Gcs vote their own in and TCs are left out in the cold, your we are all Cypriots crap will soon hit the fan when you get what you want a GC state with TCs reduced to just another minority. Thats why you are comfortable knowing you have the numerical advantage, you dupe people like Bir and Kiaiakpoulous.

I have given the TC's best possible solution short of a Partition with this PLAN
http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=12055 , but it is not good enough to you, because you do not want a solution but instead a Partition, so it is not worth the effort to talk sense to you.

If you want me to continue being civil with you, watch what you write.