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[BigDutch]

...Gcs have to face it they lost the war and are paying the price

The so-called "TC isolation" and "non-TRNC-recognition" is another facet of the end of this war ... face it.

[Viewpoint]

Are you telling us, your family has not gotten 100 Donums of stolen GC land in return, in the North, and at the same time, maintain ownership of their own 100 Donums in the RoC.?

Correct and there are many TCs famalies like us.

I got all the other answers...thanks., but the above has couple of question in one, so I don't know which one you answered "correct" to. Please clarify to what the "correct" was for.

1. Are you telling us, your family has not gotten 100 Donums of stolen GC land in return, in the North.??

2. ...and at the same time, maintain ownership of their own 100 Donums in the RoC.?

I have already answered question one, we have got nothing for this land in the TRNC.

And to your second question do you exactly know what I have to go through in your perfect "RoC" to claim my land? or are you yet again clueless?

[Viewpoint]

...Gcs have to face it they lost the war and are paying the price

The so-called "TC isolation" and "non-TRNC-recognition" is another facet of the end of this war ... face it.

Very true, this is the price we have to pay but theres no saying when this price would have been paid in full.

[Viewpoint]

Viewpoint,

YOur silence on the land issue speaks volumes! Kikapu said it is all about keeping stolen land and people getting rich off it. So leave the rhetoric and concentrate on the point at hand.

I do not own any disputed land, my home is built on Turkish title deeds, not what you want to hear but its a fact.

The implication of this response is that there is something wrong with non Turkish title deeds. You obviously don't trust your own "government's" guarentee that you can keep disputed land

In response to your comment about Poland and the Jews, they were given someone else's land as well, it's called Palestine.

Incidently I always understood Turkish troops "intervened " in 1974. I did not realise that they declared war on the ROC.

The choice to buy disputed (eş değer as we call it) land which is always cheaper is down to the individuals, I do not have any at the present time, as you are no doubt aware this type of land has land in the south which has been surrendered to the TRNC government. People buy and sell in the TRNC all the time and banks even accept it has collateral.

The current resident of previously Jewish and German owned property was resolved via compensation.

They intervened but met with such agrression from the GCs that a full scale war broke out. I sometimes wonder if the GCs had not resisted what the outsome would have been, you may have all been still resident in the North.

[Kikapu]

Are you telling us, your family has not gotten 100 Donums of stolen GC land in return, in the North, and at the same time, maintain ownership of their own 100 Donums in the RoC.?

Correct and there are many TCs famalies like us.

I got all the other answers...thanks., but the above has couple of question in one, so I don't know which one you answered "correct" to. Please clarify to what the "correct" was for.

1. Are you telling us, your family has not gotten 100 Donums of stolen GC land in return, in the North.??

2. ...and at the same time, maintain ownership of their own 100 Donums in the RoC.?

I have already answered question one, we have got nothing for this land in the TRNC.

And to your second question do you exactly know what I have to go through in your perfect "RoC" to claim my land? or are you yet again clueless?

Thanks for answering my above questions, and as for TC land in the RoC .....

Oh yes, more than you think I know and it doesn't look too good for the TC's in the event of a settlement, if they have not kept up with the paperwork after each passing away of the registered owners.!!

I assume the GC's have been making the changes of ownership of their land with the legal system and within their families, but I think most TC's are resigned to believing the "TRNC" and it's establishment is going to stay for ever, and have not kept up with the legal paperwork or the adjustment of ownership of their land within their families and according with the Cyprus Constitution and land ownership requirements.

[T_C]

Oh yes, more than you think I know and it doesn't look too good for the TC's in the event of a settlement

In that case, long live the TRNC!

[Kikapu]

Oh yes, more than you think I know and it doesn't look too good for the TC's in the event of a settlement

In that case, long live the TRNC!

Just because the TC's did not do their duty to handle their own affairs as far as keeping their land registration up to date upon passing away of the last registered owner, does not mean the GC's refugees should pay the price by being kept away from their homes and land, does it T_C.???

[Viewpoint]

Are you telling us, your family has not gotten 100 Donums of stolen GC land in return, in the North, and at the same time, maintain ownership of their own 100 Donums in the RoC.?

Correct and there are many TCs famalies like us.

I got all the other answers...thanks., but the above has couple of question in one, so I don't know which one you answered "correct" to. Please clarify to what the "correct" was for.

1. Are you telling us, your family has not gotten 100 Donums of stolen GC land in return, in the North.??

2. ...and at the same time, maintain ownership of their own 100 Donums in the RoC.?

I have already answered question one, we have got nothing for this land in the TRNC.

And to your second question do you exactly know what I have to go through in your perfect "RoC" to claim my land? or are you yet again clueless?

Thanks for answering my above questions, and as for TC land in the RoC .....

Oh yes, more than you think I know and it doesn't look too good for the TC's in the event of a settlement, if they have not kept up with the paperwork after each passing away of the registered owners.!!

I assume the GC's have been making the changes of ownership of their land with the legal system and within their families, but I think most TC's are resigned to believing the "TRNC" and it's establishment is going to stay for ever, and have not kept up with the legal paperwork or the adjustment of ownership of their land within their families and according with the Cyprus Constitution and land ownership requirements.

Could you kindly answer my question as I answered yours, its called common courtesy.

[Nikitas]

This land issue has to be tackled at some point during the talks for any settlement.

My proposal is for us landless Cypriots of all communities (there are many of us!) to form an NGO and make one point clear to ALL sides and ALL politicians. And the point is this: if any provision is included in a solution and it provides for land to be granted to any person who was not a legitimate landowner before 1974 (this includes his or her descendants and assigns) then we will start procedures to overturn that provision unless we too get land.

On the basis of constitutional equality all citizens are equal. If some citizens get grants of free land then we as citizens want some too. Simple as that. An organization with this simple objective will be taken seriously.

Signatures for participation by landless Cypriots welcome. It is about time we stake our claim and fight this colonization joke being played on us. Enough is enough.

[74LB]

We keep coming to the same point (if you excuse the expression,like certain animals who keep coming back to their own vomit!!!)....We want to have a say in the ruling of the country,we don't want to be a minority...

Well people,being a minority is only in your heads...If you come to your senses and accept that you are Cypriots who by some twist of fate happen to speak one language or other, then the majority/minority issue will evaporate into thin air...In a democratic state everyone can participate in the running of the country.To ask for equal opportunity and human right protection is one thing,and the right thing...To ask for preferential treatment and positive discrimination on the grounds of ethnic backround is not only passe but immoral... It shows a lack of confidence at best...At worst it is a calculated political manouver to frustrate the will of a nation...

Very impressive guidance for moving onwards Birk.

It's so logical and reasonable, I don't understand why it's not embraced

Yes, but if Phoenix has her way, then Greek would be the official language so in that scenario how would (or can) the oridinary TC be involved in something like the running of the country. Yes they can vote, and 'one man one vote' is accepted everywhere but can you really see TC's being elected into any significant position in government. Or even succeeding in job applications for that matter ?