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Do you believe in miracles?

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Do you believe in miracles?

yes
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no
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Total votes : 46

Postby phoenix » Thu Nov 15, 2007 2:36 pm

T_C wrote:
phoenix wrote:Mathematics is the nearest you can get to a "miracle" and hence by conjecture . . . to a "god".

It has always existed and no other discipline can claim such certainty. Once the proof or TRUTH of a proposition is established, it will exist unassailable for EVER.

Computers on the other hand are human creations and will always be fallible. When computers are used to check proofs even in mathematics, their results introduce uncertainty because of the possibility of programming error.



I will get back to everyone tonight on this when I have more time to write...but just quickly, while I agree with Pheonix, again we are making the same mistake...

YES mathmatics can prove everything BUT we are talking about God here!

Going back to my metaphor (and I am just using this as a means to make a comparison, so don't take it literally)...just like we have maths the computer would have it's computer codes and for the time being let's imagine that the computer codes ARE the computers equal to our maths, like for instance, the codes that we input to build a program on a computer.

The codes ONLY apply within that computer......


Madames et Monsieurs! :D

For your intellectual and philosophical pleasure . . .

Tonight's special feature: We present the Right Honourable, and most distinguished member of the Cyprus Forum, the one and only indisputable, close friends get to call him T_C. Top Cat ... debating:

"The Ghost in the Machine" and "Why computers Turn T_C On" !

The stuff of Myths and Fairy-tales? Fact or carefully invented fiction, suitable only for children and grannies?

Is it credible or are we gullible ... :?

Tonight T_C reveals "The Truth". :D
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Postby denizaksulu » Thu Nov 15, 2007 2:59 pm

LENA wrote:
craigbeck wrote:Deal


Hope you dont want that answer any soon :shock: :shock:



Thank God for that :roll: I thought we had a contemplative suicide here.

Dont rush Lena. When your time comes, I can assure you, you dont want to be there. :cry:
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Postby T_C » Thu Nov 15, 2007 3:25 pm

phoenix wrote:
T_C wrote:
phoenix wrote:Mathematics is the nearest you can get to a "miracle" and hence by conjecture . . . to a "god".

It has always existed and no other discipline can claim such certainty. Once the proof or TRUTH of a proposition is established, it will exist unassailable for EVER.

Computers on the other hand are human creations and will always be fallible. When computers are used to check proofs even in mathematics, their results introduce uncertainty because of the possibility of programming error.



I will get back to everyone tonight on this when I have more time to write...but just quickly, while I agree with Pheonix, again we are making the same mistake...

YES mathmatics can prove everything BUT we are talking about God here!

Going back to my metaphor (and I am just using this as a means to make a comparison, so don't take it literally)...just like we have maths the computer would have it's computer codes and for the time being let's imagine that the computer codes ARE the computers equal to our maths, like for instance, the codes that we input to build a program on a computer.

The codes ONLY apply within that computer......


Madames et Monsieurs! :D

For your intellectual and philosophical pleasure . . .

Tonight's special feature: We present the Right Honourable, and most distinguished member of the Cyprus Forum, the one and only indisputable, close friends get to call him T_C. Top Cat ... debating:

"The Ghost in the Machine" and "Why computers Turn T_C On" !

The stuff of Myths and Fairy-tales? Fact or carefully invented fiction, suitable only for children and grannies?

Is it credible or are we gullible ... :?

Tonight T_C reveals "The Truth". :D


:shock:

P.R obviously isn't one of your strong points! :?

You didn't even put the pricing on the advertisement!!!! :roll:

Thanks for nothing phoenix. I'll have you know that next time I'll be choosing someone more suitable...... :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Postby phoenix » Thu Nov 15, 2007 3:55 pm

T_C wrote:
phoenix wrote:
T_C wrote:
phoenix wrote:Mathematics is the nearest you can get to a "miracle" and hence by conjecture . . . to a "god".

It has always existed and no other discipline can claim such certainty. Once the proof or TRUTH of a proposition is established, it will exist unassailable for EVER.

Computers on the other hand are human creations and will always be fallible. When computers are used to check proofs even in mathematics, their results introduce uncertainty because of the possibility of programming error.



I will get back to everyone tonight on this when I have more time to write...but just quickly, while I agree with Pheonix, again we are making the same mistake...

YES mathmatics can prove everything BUT we are talking about God here!

Going back to my metaphor (and I am just using this as a means to make a comparison, so don't take it literally)...just like we have maths the computer would have it's computer codes and for the time being let's imagine that the computer codes ARE the computers equal to our maths, like for instance, the codes that we input to build a program on a computer.

The codes ONLY apply within that computer......


Madames et Monsieurs! :D

For your intellectual and philosophical pleasure . . .

Tonight's special feature: We present the Right Honourable, and most distinguished member of the Cyprus Forum, the one and only indisputable, close friends get to call him T_C. Top Cat ... debating:

"The Ghost in the Machine" and "Why computers Turn T_C On" !

The stuff of Myths and Fairy-tales? Fact or carefully invented fiction, suitable only for children and grannies?

Is it credible or are we gullible ... :?

Tonight T_C reveals "The Truth". :D


:shock:

P.R obviously isn't one of your strong points! :?

You didn't even put the pricing on the advertisement!!!! :roll:

Thanks for nothing phoenix. I'll have you know that next time I'll be choosing someone more suitable...... :lol: :lol: :lol:


How could you put a price on "The Truth" ? :shock:

Mercenary :roll:

Mashen gnashen . . . appoint someone who knows the price of everything and the value of nothing then, see if I care . . . at least I worked for free, ungrateful Turk. :P
:lol:
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Postby denizaksulu » Thu Nov 15, 2007 5:38 pm

phoenix wrote:
T_C wrote:
phoenix wrote:Mathematics is the nearest you can get to a "miracle" and hence by conjecture . . . to a "god".

It has always existed and no other discipline can claim such certainty. Once the proof or TRUTH of a proposition is established, it will exist unassailable for EVER.

Computers on the other hand are human creations and will always be fallible. When computers are used to check proofs even in mathematics, their results introduce uncertainty because of the possibility of programming error.



I will get back to everyone tonight on this when I have more time to write...but just quickly, while I agree with Pheonix, again we are making the same mistake...

YES mathmatics can prove everything BUT we are talking about God here!

Going back to my metaphor (and I am just using this as a means to make a comparison, so don't take it literally)...just like we have maths the computer would have it's computer codes and for the time being let's imagine that the computer codes ARE the computers equal to our maths, like for instance, the codes that we input to build a program on a computer.

The codes ONLY apply within that computer......


Madames et Monsieurs! :D

For your intellectual and philosophical pleasure . . .

Tonight's special feature: We present the Right Honourable, and most distinguished member of the Cyprus Forum, the one and only indisputable, close friends get to call him T_C. Top Cat ... debating:

"The Ghost in the Machine" and "Why computers Turn T_C On" !

The stuff of Myths and Fairy-tales? Fact or carefully invented fiction, suitable only for children and grannies?

Is it credible or are we gullible ... :?

Tonight T_C reveals "The Truth". :D



...........but doesnt that epithet belong to GR? Have you fallen out?
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Postby phoenix » Thu Nov 15, 2007 7:51 pm

denizaksulu wrote:
phoenix wrote:
T_C wrote:
phoenix wrote:Mathematics is the nearest you can get to a "miracle" and hence by conjecture . . . to a "god".

It has always existed and no other discipline can claim such certainty. Once the proof or TRUTH of a proposition is established, it will exist unassailable for EVER.

Computers on the other hand are human creations and will always be fallible. When computers are used to check proofs even in mathematics, their results introduce uncertainty because of the possibility of programming error.



I will get back to everyone tonight on this when I have more time to write...but just quickly, while I agree with Pheonix, again we are making the same mistake...

YES mathmatics can prove everything BUT we are talking about God here!

Going back to my metaphor (and I am just using this as a means to make a comparison, so don't take it literally)...just like we have maths the computer would have it's computer codes and for the time being let's imagine that the computer codes ARE the computers equal to our maths, like for instance, the codes that we input to build a program on a computer.

The codes ONLY apply within that computer......


Madames et Monsieurs! :D

For your intellectual and philosophical pleasure . . .

Tonight's special feature: We present the Right Honourable, and most distinguished member of the Cyprus Forum, the one and only indisputable, close friends get to call him T_C. Top Cat ... debating:

"The Ghost in the Machine" and "Why computers Turn T_C On" !

The stuff of Myths and Fairy-tales? Fact or carefully invented fiction, suitable only for children and grannies?

Is it credible or are we gullible ... :?

Tonight T_C reveals "The Truth". :D



...........but doesnt that epithet belong to GR? Have you fallen out?


You know how to tag at my strings (superstrings :lol: ) eh deniz ! :roll:

Say 50 Hail (Hale ? / Hell ? :? ) Marys for daring to take His name in vain and if you wish forgiveness for doubting His Greatness, Get Real!

GR! is the Master of the Miraculous Mathematical Multiverse 8) , so don't mess with Him!
. . . . nor me ! :lol:
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Postby T_C » Thu Nov 15, 2007 10:59 pm

phoenix wrote:
T_C wrote:
phoenix wrote:
T_C wrote:
phoenix wrote:Mathematics is the nearest you can get to a "miracle" and hence by conjecture . . . to a "god".

It has always existed and no other discipline can claim such certainty. Once the proof or TRUTH of a proposition is established, it will exist unassailable for EVER.

Computers on the other hand are human creations and will always be fallible. When computers are used to check proofs even in mathematics, their results introduce uncertainty because of the possibility of programming error.



I will get back to everyone tonight on this when I have more time to write...but just quickly, while I agree with Pheonix, again we are making the same mistake...

YES mathmatics can prove everything BUT we are talking about God here!

Going back to my metaphor (and I am just using this as a means to make a comparison, so don't take it literally)...just like we have maths the computer would have it's computer codes and for the time being let's imagine that the computer codes ARE the computers equal to our maths, like for instance, the codes that we input to build a program on a computer.

The codes ONLY apply within that computer......


Madames et Monsieurs! :D

For your intellectual and philosophical pleasure . . .

Tonight's special feature: We present the Right Honourable, and most distinguished member of the Cyprus Forum, the one and only indisputable, close friends get to call him T_C. Top Cat ... debating:

"The Ghost in the Machine" and "Why computers Turn T_C On" !

The stuff of Myths and Fairy-tales? Fact or carefully invented fiction, suitable only for children and grannies?

Is it credible or are we gullible ... :?

Tonight T_C reveals "The Truth". :D


:shock:

P.R obviously isn't one of your strong points! :?

You didn't even put the pricing on the advertisement!!!! :roll:

Thanks for nothing phoenix. I'll have you know that next time I'll be choosing someone more suitable...... :lol: :lol: :lol:


How could you put a price on "The Truth" ? :shock:

Mercenary :roll:

Mashen gnashen . . . appoint someone who knows the price of everything and the value of nothing then, see if I care . . . at least I worked for free, ungrateful Turk. :P
:lol:


Do not try and take out those failures (due to your incompetence) on me young lady!

Well I no longer require your assistance anyways....and I hope you have other people to put down as references on your CV. :lol: :lol:
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Postby phoenix » Thu Nov 15, 2007 11:51 pm

T_C wrote:
phoenix wrote:
T_C wrote:
phoenix wrote:
T_C wrote:
phoenix wrote:Mathematics is the nearest you can get to a "miracle" and hence by conjecture . . . to a "god".

It has always existed and no other discipline can claim such certainty. Once the proof or TRUTH of a proposition is established, it will exist unassailable for EVER.

Computers on the other hand are human creations and will always be fallible. When computers are used to check proofs even in mathematics, their results introduce uncertainty because of the possibility of programming error.



I will get back to everyone tonight on this when I have more time to write...but just quickly, while I agree with Pheonix, again we are making the same mistake...

YES mathmatics can prove everything BUT we are talking about God here!

Going back to my metaphor (and I am just using this as a means to make a comparison, so don't take it literally)...just like we have maths the computer would have it's computer codes and for the time being let's imagine that the computer codes ARE the computers equal to our maths, like for instance, the codes that we input to build a program on a computer.

The codes ONLY apply within that computer......


Madames et Monsieurs! :D

For your intellectual and philosophical pleasure . . .

Tonight's special feature: We present the Right Honourable, and most distinguished member of the Cyprus Forum, the one and only indisputable, close friends get to call him T_C. Top Cat ... debating:

"The Ghost in the Machine" and "Why computers Turn T_C On" !

The stuff of Myths and Fairy-tales? Fact or carefully invented fiction, suitable only for children and grannies?

Is it credible or are we gullible ... :?

Tonight T_C reveals "The Truth". :D


:shock:

P.R obviously isn't one of your strong points! :?

You didn't even put the pricing on the advertisement!!!! :roll:

Thanks for nothing phoenix. I'll have you know that next time I'll be choosing someone more suitable...... :lol: :lol: :lol:


How could you put a price on "The Truth" ? :shock:

Mercenary :roll:

Mashen gnashen . . . appoint someone who knows the price of everything and the value of nothing then, see if I care . . . at least I worked for free, ungrateful Turk. :P
:lol:


Do not try and take out those failures (due to your incompetence) on me young lady!

Well I no longer require your assistance anyways....and I hope you have other people to put down as references on your CV. :lol: :lol:


I was only stalling for time until you came up with your astounding theories, that's all! :roll:

As for my CV I would never admit to working for a Turk . . . not even voluntarily! :shock:

So where is this Earth shattering revelation of yours . . . it' nearly my bedtime! :D
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Postby denizaksulu » Fri Nov 16, 2007 12:02 am

phoenix wrote:
denizaksulu wrote:
phoenix wrote:
T_C wrote:
phoenix wrote:Mathematics is the nearest you can get to a "miracle" and hence by conjecture . . . to a "god".

It has always existed and no other discipline can claim such certainty. Once the proof or TRUTH of a proposition is established, it will exist unassailable for EVER.

Computers on the other hand are human creations and will always be fallible. When computers are used to check proofs even in mathematics, their results introduce uncertainty because of the possibility of programming error.



I will get back to everyone tonight on this when I have more time to write...but just quickly, while I agree with Pheonix, again we are making the same mistake...

YES mathmatics can prove everything BUT we are talking about God here!

Going back to my metaphor (and I am just using this as a means to make a comparison, so don't take it literally)...just like we have maths the computer would have it's computer codes and for the time being let's imagine that the computer codes ARE the computers equal to our maths, like for instance, the codes that we input to build a program on a computer.

The codes ONLY apply within that computer......


Madames et Monsieurs! :D

For your intellectual and philosophical pleasure . . .

Tonight's special feature: We present the Right Honourable, and most distinguished member of the Cyprus Forum, the one and only indisputable, close friends get to call him T_C. Top Cat ... debating:

"The Ghost in the Machine" and "Why computers Turn T_C On" !

The stuff of Myths and Fairy-tales? Fact or carefully invented fiction, suitable only for children and grannies?

Is it credible or are we gullible ... :?

Tonight T_C reveals "The Truth". :D



...........but doesnt that epithet belong to GR? Have you fallen out?


You know how to tag at my strings (superstrings :lol: ) eh deniz ! :roll:

Say 50 Hail (Hale ? / Hell ? :? ) Marys for daring to take His name in vain and if you wish forgiveness for doubting His Greatness, Get Real!

GR! is the Master of the Miraculous Mathematical Multiverse 8) , so don't mess with Him!
. . . . nor me ! :lol:



Ah, Panayia mou Phoenix, me mess with GR. Never!. Its Fifi I am having prblems with. d... pest :lol:
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Postby phoenix » Fri Nov 16, 2007 12:14 am

denizaksulu wrote:
phoenix wrote:
denizaksulu wrote:
phoenix wrote:
T_C wrote:
phoenix wrote:Mathematics is the nearest you can get to a "miracle" and hence by conjecture . . . to a "god".

It has always existed and no other discipline can claim such certainty. Once the proof or TRUTH of a proposition is established, it will exist unassailable for EVER.

Computers on the other hand are human creations and will always be fallible. When computers are used to check proofs even in mathematics, their results introduce uncertainty because of the possibility of programming error.



I will get back to everyone tonight on this when I have more time to write...but just quickly, while I agree with Pheonix, again we are making the same mistake...

YES mathmatics can prove everything BUT we are talking about God here!

Going back to my metaphor (and I am just using this as a means to make a comparison, so don't take it literally)...just like we have maths the computer would have it's computer codes and for the time being let's imagine that the computer codes ARE the computers equal to our maths, like for instance, the codes that we input to build a program on a computer.

The codes ONLY apply within that computer......


Madames et Monsieurs! :D

For your intellectual and philosophical pleasure . . .

Tonight's special feature: We present the Right Honourable, and most distinguished member of the Cyprus Forum, the one and only indisputable, close friends get to call him T_C. Top Cat ... debating:

"The Ghost in the Machine" and "Why computers Turn T_C On" !

The stuff of Myths and Fairy-tales? Fact or carefully invented fiction, suitable only for children and grannies?

Is it credible or are we gullible ... :?

Tonight T_C reveals "The Truth". :D



...........but doesnt that epithet belong to GR? Have you fallen out?


You know how to tag at my strings (superstrings :lol: ) eh deniz ! :roll:

Say 50 Hail (Hale ? / Hell ? :? ) Marys for daring to take His name in vain and if you wish forgiveness for doubting His Greatness, Get Real!

GR! is the Master of the Miraculous Mathematical Multiverse 8) , so don't mess with Him!
. . . . nor me ! :lol:



Ah, Panayia mou Phoenix, me mess with GR. Never!. Its Fifi I am having prblems with. d... pest :lol:


This forum seems to be overrun with spiders and fleas. What has given rise to these fetishes with invertebrates? :?
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