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Do you believe in miracles?

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Do you believe in miracles?

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no
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Postby phoenix » Sat Nov 17, 2007 12:37 pm

Daemon wrote:I’ve seen some things and I had to study a lot for them and I have to say that the pagan way Gorilla Gal thinks it could be something better from naïve, in the end I can say what Plato was naïve(he was not) or even mad (he was) but Aristotle was not either mad or naïve. The problem here is what by speaking for miracles in a Judaist (and not only) way where the noetic field is blocked in every possible way it’s even worst from naive. But believe in the possibility (not in the entity if you don’t have personal experience) of metaphysics it opens your mind and it leads you to understand better your self (the main target of the ancient Greek religion was to learn your self, to delfiko gnotheis eafton). As an agnostic I can’t reject the possibility of metaphysics or even the possibility of god. I believe what is hypocrisy against your self and mental passive (where actually you harm the knowledge you have for your self and you become passive in the chaos of the mental game) to accept anything with out really know.

Of course there were a lot of stupid and naïve pagans but there are always levels of understanding in the limits of a religion system.


Daemon . . . you sound like a normal, thinking person :shock:

Why can't you employ such logic in your Cyprus problem posts? :D
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Postby Daemon » Sat Nov 17, 2007 2:49 pm

i KNOW miracles happen, and i feel sorry for anyone who doesn't feel that way.


This is bud (passive) reaction you should reconsider the way you present your “truth”.

Daemon . . . you sound like a normal, thinking person


This is the way I always think, I’m not mental passive to Plato and not even to Heracletus(and Nietzsche of course who was even darker) who had develop his dark side like I’ve did and he is more close to the way I’m thinking, there is no way for me to be mental passive for Papadopoulos or for Grivas and Makarios, this who I’m and I always was and it’s difficult to live with your good side in a dark world and in a passive (to Jehovah and etc) society with out developing your dark side.

Like Kazatzakis said I do not fucking believe (it’s different to know or to consider than to believe) and hope to anything, I’m free.

In my consideration of the possibility of the no starting and no ending divine that covers the whole is what every being have from its nature a dark-passive and a white-active(Yin and Yang from Taoism it cover me and other philosphys as symbol that describes that “truth”) and in a the dark side of that symbol you can’t in any way protect and keep alive the white nature (the kid that always born with purity and goodness to live and it’s there somewhere alive-active or dead-passive in every person) you have with out developing your dark shield in the noetic field. The way to develop your white side is to live out of the dark world and the choice you have is what Kazatzakis did, who staid out of the dark world influense and kept the kid inside him active in a high level until the end (and probably the new start).

Why can't you employ such logic in your Cyprus problem posts?


Because there is nothing normal about the Cyprus problem?

If you mean why I’m not imbibe the two opinions in a reasonable manner is because the other side is incapable to do that and there is no option.
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Postby phoenix » Sun Nov 18, 2007 12:45 am

Daemon wrote:
Why can't you employ such logic in your Cyprus problem posts?


Because there is nothing normal about the Cyprus problem?

If you mean why I’m not imbibe the two opinions in a reasonable manner is because the other side is incapable to do that and there is no option.


Then you exhibit the "slave morality" by allowing these bad moral notions to affect you. If you are active in your quest for Ubermensch, then you know that bad actions are lowly and lack greatness. So that you transcend your human form (beyond the good and evil) means you have to exercise your "will to power" and remain unaffected by these world events that you cannot control.

Daemon, you exhibit passion for your beliefs, which is contradictory to the need to focus less on others and more on your individual need to overcome these animal instincts.
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Postby Daemon » Sun Nov 18, 2007 2:14 am

Then you exhibit the "slave morality" by allowing these bad moral notions to affect you. If you are active in your quest for Ubermensch, then you know that bad actions are lowly and lack greatness. So that you transcend your human form (beyond the good and evil) means you have to exercise your "will to power" and remain unaffected by these world events that you cannot control.

Daemon, you exhibit passion for your beliefs, which is contradictory to the need to focus less on others and more on your individual need to overcome these animal instincts.


I didn’t speak about greatness, this is who I’m and I’m a simple person that have active mentality.

And I do not have any belief even if I use the word believe to describe my considerations, for example I do not know what is the problem on TPap head but the problem is obvious to anyone and i consider him as lunatic or in the best case just an idiot.

So that you transcend your human form (beyond the good and evil) means you have to exercise your "will to power" and remain unaffected by these world events that you cannot control.


This is what I’m doing, exercise.

My consideration is what human have a lot of demons and angels inside (the ancients was describing this as pure-active and bud-passive demons).

When someone tries to develop active mentality on him self there is no other option than war that starts from inside and I’ve kicked the ass of a lot of annoying passive skeptomorphs-demons that were trying to rule my head (I was Christian, Platonist, Nationalist, Hellenist, Turk hater and racist, and today I’m myselfist daemonist).

And being a nice person is not a demon that I wish to kick out. I just trying to find the meaning of being a nice guy with the resources, the options and the affections I have.

Looking inside is like looking the stars at night and you have to pass through darkness to understand the distant lights and you may end up with nothing and i guess that no one doesn’t really know if there is any meaning on something, I just keep learning from the trip and I do not expect for something out of the area that I can be in and know about.

And the only possible way to stay unaffected is what Kazantzakis did like I’ve said but for sure I have to find or create an environment where I will be able to imbibe (and not kick) the bud affections.
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Postby LENA » Sun Nov 18, 2007 2:18 am

God you sound like my professor at Uni!
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Postby pantheman » Sun Nov 18, 2007 1:03 pm

Daemon wrote:
Then you exhibit the "slave morality" by allowing these bad moral notions to affect you. If you are active in your quest for Ubermensch, then you know that bad actions are lowly and lack greatness. So that you transcend your human form (beyond the good and evil) means you have to exercise your "will to power" and remain unaffected by these world events that you cannot control.

Daemon, you exhibit passion for your beliefs, which is contradictory to the need to focus less on others and more on your individual need to overcome these animal instincts.


I didn’t speak about greatness, this is who I’m and I’m a simple person that have active mentality.

And I do not have any belief even if I use the word believe to describe my considerations, for example I do not know what is the problem on TPap head but the problem is obvious to anyone and i consider him as lunatic or in the best case just an idiot.

So that you transcend your human form (beyond the good and evil) means you have to exercise your "will to power" and remain unaffected by these world events that you cannot control.


This is what I’m doing, exercise.

My consideration is what human have a lot of demons and angels inside (the ancients was describing this as pure-active and bud-passive demons).

When someone tries to develop active mentality on him self there is no other option than war that starts from inside and I’ve kicked the ass of a lot of annoying passive skeptomorphs-demons that were trying to rule my head (I was Christian, Platonist, Nationalist, Hellenist, Turk hater and racist, and today I’m myselfist daemonist).

And being a nice person is not a demon that I wish to kick out. I just trying to find the meaning of being a nice guy with the resources, the options and the affections I have.

Looking inside is like looking the stars at night and you have to pass through darkness to understand the distant lights and you may end up with nothing and i guess that no one doesn’t really know if there is any meaning on something, I just keep learning from the trip and I do not expect for something out of the area that I can be in and know about.

And the only possible way to stay unaffected is what Kazantzakis did like I’ve said but for sure I have to find or create an environment where I will be able to imbibe (and not kick) the bud affections.


What on earth is all this talk, makes you wonder what goes on in peoples heads these days.

The question was simple straightforward and to the point, in case you didn't get it the first time here it is again, "Do you believe in miracles?"

A simple answer could easily have been given , but no, some people insist on giving there own, honestly, and i must say, bullshit answers.

Come on, you have all given your input, there is a god, no there isn't, its just luck, or a fluke of nature, all of which cannot be proven, right???

But some are intent on giving some warped ideas about internal demons, 'bud' or whatever, what is this psychological clap trap has no meaning, proof, or use to anyone but the speaker of such riduculous words.

So, please spare us the bandwidth on this forum, keep this rubbish to yourselves if you believe it and let us normal mortals believe that there is some good divine force that maybe there for us at some point in our life when needed the most.

After all, if you have no hope you have nothing and that sums up life. Life is based on hope.

have a nice day
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Postby Daemon » Sun Nov 18, 2007 1:07 pm

Can someone see what is going to heads of dead brain idiots? Look the messages before that and if you can find a reason way my post doesn’t fit in I will give you a sweet.
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Postby pantheman » Sun Nov 18, 2007 1:19 pm

Daemon wrote:Can someone see what is going to heads of dead brain idiots? Look the messages before that and if you can find a reason way my post doesn’t fit in I will give you a sweet.


Ha ha, look whos talking. Just read the rubbish you wrote, it doesn't matter if it is a reply or not, you said it, it came from your own dead brain, you must be one sad case, so please save me the need to respond to these useless posts and i'll give YOU 2 sweets, hows that ?
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Postby Daemon » Sun Nov 18, 2007 1:26 pm

Okay I have nothing better to do and I will answer to this human trash (while I keep trying to find a reason to be nice with subhuman trash).

What on earth is all this talk, makes you wonder what goes on in peoples heads these days.


In your dead head absolutely nothing. It happens to all subhuman trash.

The question was simple straightforward and to the point, in case you didn't get it the first time here it is again, "Do you believe in miracles?"


It was a conversation about how naïve is the people believe in miracles and I took them as far as I can as a simple person that uses his brains. Something you will never be able to understand.

A simple answer could easily have been given , but no, some people insist on giving there own, honestly, and i must say, bullshit answers.


You can answer and not insult if your stupid passive empty demon doesn’t like to be answered back the same way by an active skeptic demon that use his brains.

Come on, you have all given your input, there is a god, no there isn't, its just luck, or a fluke of nature, all of which cannot be proven, right???


Yes.

But some are intent on giving some warped ideas about internal demons, 'bud' or whatever, what is this psychological clap trap has no meaning, proof, or use to anyone but the speaker of such riduculous words.


It’s metaphor for what is going on in real world and have nothing to do with christianism and yes is psychological issues studied by the science, I’ve just used the ancient word to describe this mentality psychological reality, maybe Socrates who was speaking about his inside demonio should also shut up because you are just a brainless piece of shit?

So, please spare us the bandwidth on this forum, keep this rubbish to yourselves if you believe it and let us normal mortals believe that there is some good divine force that maybe there for us at some point in our life when needed the most.


So please fuck off.
I didn’t reject the idea of the divine force.

After all, if you have no hope you have nothing and that sums up life. Life is based on hope.


Ask Kazatzakis on this, you may respect him if you know what you are speaking to him.

I didn’t reject you right to have any hope you wish to, so for once more please fuck off.
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Postby GorillaGal » Sun Nov 18, 2007 1:35 pm

hey daemon, there is no reason to resort to cursing at people and telling them to f-off just because they don't agree with you. if you get that angry, just step away for awhile and breathe.
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