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The end of Turkey's role in Cyprus

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Turkey's Withdrawal would speed up the "solution".

I am a TC - I agree with the statement
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I am a TC - I do not agree with the statement
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I am a GC - I agree with the statement
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I am a GC - I do not agree with the statement
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I agree with the statement
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I do not agree with the statement
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Turkey's withdrawal will have no effect.
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The end of Turkey's role in Cyprus

Postby pantelis » Mon Mar 14, 2005 3:38 am

The “traditional” Cyprus problem has taken a different turn since the 1974 Turkish invasion.

Of a pre-1974 population of 200,000, 500 Greek Cypriots remain in Turkish-occupied Northern Cyprus. Their loss of property, now occupied by Turkish settlers, has never been compensated. Since the invasion, a buffer zone dividing the island into Greek and Turkish halves has been patrolled by UN peacekeepers.

The Turks declared a Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus (TRNC) in 1983, which is not recognized by any state except Turkey. The Security Council, in resolution 550 (1984), "reiterated its call upon all states not to recognize the purported state of Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus set up by secessionist acts and calls upon them not to facilitate or in any way assist aforesaid secessionist entity."

In 1994 the European Court of Justice declared that the only legitimate government in Cyprus is the Government of the Republic of Cyprus.


Turkey's presence in Cyprus has been identified, by all international organizations, to be illegal, with resolutions demanding her withdrawal from the island. Turkey's importation of settlers in Cyprus has also been criticized and condemned.

The Cypriots have an established, legitimate and recognized state, member of the UN and the EU. This state had and has internal problems, which could be solved only by the Cypriots.

The people of Cyprus need to develop a mutual understanding that both communities should share their island state in a secure, law abiding environment, which protects and respects the individual human rights of every citizen and at the same time, it protects all groups from being discriminated, whether they are identified by gender, religion, language, color or ethnic background.

Like Syria has no right to be in Lebanon, Turkey and the Turkish army, have right to be present in Cyprus. As long as Turkey remains and plays a major role in Cyprus, their presence here, remains the major obstacle to the solution of the Cyprus problem.(IMO)

I am not asking you whether you agree with Turkey's withdrawal from Cyprus or not.
What I want to know is:
If Turkey unilaterally withdraws from the island, would this action facilitate a compromise and an agreement between the two communities (speed up the "solution"), or things would become more difficult, than they already are?
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Re: The end of Turkey's role in Cyprus

Postby Saint Jimmy » Mon Mar 14, 2005 3:48 am

pantelis wrote:The Cypriots have an established, legitimate and recognized state, member of the UN and the EU. This state had and has internal problems, which could be solved only by the Cypriots.

I agree with what the statement is saying, but I don't think that such a process would prove to be any good. If Turkey withdraws from Cyprus, TCs would probably be forced to compromise everything, so that they can survive! I mean, with the embargo going on, they wouldn't have much to work with, right?
If Turkey withdrew, in all likelihood we (GCs) would get the solution of our dreams. But this is neither fair nor a good idea. The most probable outcome of TCs compromising everything and being forced to give us whatever we want would be disastrous in the long run.
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Postby pantelis » Mon Mar 14, 2005 5:02 am

Jim,

If Turkey withdraws from Cyprus, TCs would probably be forced to compromise everything, so that they can survive! I mean, with the embargo going on, they wouldn't have much to work with, right?


With the Turkish troops and the Turkish diplomats/ bureaucrats/spies out, the TCS would still maintain an army/police etc. The GCS would not make any stupid moves, militarily or any other way, at this day and age. We are not alone in Cyprus. The Turkish army would not be far away.

The TCs would be able to decide about their future, without the Turkish interference.

The GCs would be able to see the TCs as Cypriots, not an extension of the Turkish army, or an extension of the Turkish "strategic defense system".

Compromise and acceptance of the concerns and fears of the other side would become easier to accomplish by the people of both communities.




If Turkey withdrew, in all likelihood we (GCs) would get the solution of our dreams. But this is neither fair nor a good idea. The most probable outcome of TCs compromising everything and being forced to give us whatever we want would be disastrous in the long run.



You are partly right, Jimmy.
It would be a solution of everyone's (GCs & TCs) dreams, if it is a mutually agreed solution.
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Postby insan » Mon Mar 14, 2005 5:19 am

The TCs would be able to decide about their future, without the Turkish interference.


TCs and Turkey are in full cooperation and consultation concerning the solution of the Cyprus problem and security of TC community. Even if she has withdrawn completely from Cyprus, they will be as close as a mobile phone to TC leadership. If necessary Ercan-Ankara takes 45 mins. :lol: :lol: :lol:


Keep dreaming Pantelis. :lol: :lol: :lol:


The behaviors of GCs who are members of this forum gave me the impression that 3/5(%60) of the GCs are not trustworthy.
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Postby pantelis » Mon Mar 14, 2005 5:28 am

Insan,
You have nothing to fear, then, if the troops withdraw.
If you haven't voted above, please vote, then brush your teeth and go to bed. Sleep should help you relax, for a few hours :lol:
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Postby insan » Mon Mar 14, 2005 5:35 am

pantelis wrote:Insan,
You have nothing to fear, then, if the troops withdraw.
If you haven't voted above, please vote, then brush your teeth and go to bed. Sleep should help you relax, for a few hours :lol:



Hehehehe... :lol: until you get preapared for bi-lateral reduction of military power on both sides of the Island you'll forget about the withdrawal of all turkish troops. The military power of both sides will always be in balance.
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Postby pantelis » Mon Mar 14, 2005 5:39 am

Insan,
I don't you speak for all Turkish Cypriots. Check the polls above :roll:
and go to bed!
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Postby Saint Jimmy » Mon Mar 14, 2005 5:40 am

insan wrote:Keep dreaming Pantelis. :lol: :lol: :lol:

Hmmmm...:roll:

Insan,

pantelis could be making a mistake here (the same one I am making, I suppose), by believing that Turkey decides and imposes its decisions on TCs, when in fact it could be that Turkey's relationship with the North is similar to that of Greece to the RoC. I don't know if it is or not, but what we've been fed all this time is that it's not, so I guess it makes some sense for us to take it for granted (that Turkey is the decision-maker).

But check this out: even if this relationship is healthy and balanced, you must admit that that's not how the average (ignorant) GC would see it, because he/she doesn't have any other means of knowing what it's like, other than what he/she sees with his/her own eyes and hears with his/her own ears. So, it would make sense for a GC to assume that Turkey calls the shots (tens of thousands of Turkish soldiers see to that, in his/her mind). Still, if they weren't there, would you not say that it would be easier for him/her to digest that we are, in fact, negotiating with a truly autonomous community that is no one's puppet? Perceptually, I mean...

Pantelis, what I was implying is that, in the absence of Turkish troops and Turkey's role in general, we would almost certainly adopt a much harder line, maximizing our demands, knowing that TCs don't have a major player backing them. The status quo (unsolved problem=embargo still there=economic suffocation) would make sure that we squeeze all our demands out of them and then... all hell will break loose...:cry:
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Postby pantelis » Mon Mar 14, 2005 5:48 am

Jimmy,

Pantelis, what I was implying is that, in the absence of Turkish troops and Turkey's role in general, we would almost certainly adopt a much harder line, maximizing our demands, knowing that TCs don't have a major player backing them. The status quo (unsolved problem=embargo still there=economic suffocation) would make sure that we squeeze all our demands out of them and then... all hell will break loose...


The GCs have taken that route already, before 74, and found out the results, the hard way.

Both sides have experienced the "extremes" of the other side. It is time to give ourselves another chance, now that we know what the penalty would be, if we do not respect everyone's concerns.
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Postby metecyp » Mon Mar 14, 2005 5:55 am

Turkish troops are in Cyprus because there is no solution to the Cyprus problem where TCs can feel safe and secure in a united Cyprus. You can ask TCs in a referandum if they prefer the Turkish troops leave before a solution, and I can guarantee that you won't get more than 10% TCs to support it.
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