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[Piratis]

I accept and that is what I'm asking for. Let's gradually reduce the military power on both sides of the Island and restore the treaty of alliance and treaty of guarantee.

So you accept that we should return to the 1960 agreements, that everybody should respect the sovereignty of RoC and that "TRNC" is illegal like the UN resolutions call for?

[brother]

That is what is required as any other way will last a long time and may not work and the reason the 1960 constitution failed was due to enosis and the gc desire to have tc as second class citizens or was that 3rd class.

[insan]

I accept and that is what I'm asking for. Let's gradually reduce the military power on both sides of the Island and restore the treaty of alliance and treaty of guarantee.

So you accept that we should return to the 1960 agreements, that everybody should respect the sovereignty of RoC and that "TRNC" is illegal like the UN resolutions call for?

Exactly. But you should know that all UN resolutions that issued afterwards 1975 also call upon all releveant parties to exert effort to find out a solution in frame of a bi-communal, bi-zonal federation based upon "political equality" of two communities.

[Piratis]

That is what is required as any other way will last a long time and may not work and the reason the 1960 constitution failed was due to enosis and the gc desire to have tc as second class citizens or was that 3rd class.

Sure, the EOKA B (a small minority of GCs) was one of the reasons.
However you should not forget things like the 30% of governmental positions that the TCs were supposed to have. (something that is unfair, you have to admit). It all started from there. The government didn't get 30% of TCs in governmental positions, the TCs retaliated with blocking the budget, the economy was going to collapse, Makarios proposed the 13 points etc etc.

So blaming one side for the problems of the 1960 agreements is easy, but it does not reflect the truth.

[Piratis]

But you should know that all UN resolutions that issued afterwards 1975 also call upon all releveant parties to exert effort to find out a solution in frame of a bi-communal, bi-zonal federation based upon "political equality" of two communities.

here are the resolutions: http://www.un.int/cyprus/resolut.htm

Please point to me the resolutions you are referring to and then we will discuss it.

[insan]

That is what is required as any other way will last a long time and may not work and the reason the 1960 constitution failed was due to enosis and the gc desire to have tc as second class citizens or was that 3rd class.

Sure, the EOKA B (a small minority of GCs) was one of the reasons.
However you should not forget things like the 30% of governmental positions that the TCs were supposed to have. (something that is unfair, you have to admit). It all started from there. The government didn't get 30% of TCs in governmental positions, the TCs retaliated with blocking the budget, the economy was going to collapse, Makarios proposed the 13 points etc etc.

So blaming one side for the problems of the 1960 agreements is easy, but it does not reflect the truth.

Demanding ammnedments to make the constitution more fair is one thing abuse the unfair provisions of 1960 constitution to prepare the ground for "majority rule" and Enosis is totally another thing.

[insan]

But you should know that all UN resolutions that issued afterwards 1975 also call upon all releveant parties to exert effort to find out a solution in frame of a bi-communal, bi-zonal federation based upon "political equality" of two communities.

here are the resolutions: http://www.un.int/cyprus/resolut.htm

Please point to me the resolutions you are referring to and then we will discuss it.

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8. [b]Calls upon all concerned to commit themselves to a reduction in defence spending, a reduction in the number of foreign troops in the Republic of Cyprus, and a staged process aimed at limiting and then substantially reducing the level of all troops and armaments in the Republic of Cyprus as a first step towards the withdrawal of non-Cypriot forces as described in the set of ideas (S/24472, annex), [/b]to help restore confidence between the sides, stresses the importance of eventual demilitarization of the Republic of Cyprus as an objective in the context of an overall comprehensive settlement, welcomes in this context any steps either side may take to reduce armaments and troops, and encourages the Secretary-General to continue to promote efforts in this direction;

"9. Calls upon both sides to refrain from the threat or use of force or violence as a means to resolve the Cyprus problem;

"10. Reaffirms that the status quo is unacceptable and that negotiations on a final political solution to the Cyprus problem have been at an impasse for too long;

"11. [b]Reaffirms its position that a Cyprus settlement must be based on a State of Cyprus with a single sovereignty and international personality and a single citizenship, with its independence and territorial integrity safeguarded, and comprising two politically equal communities as described in the relevant Security Council resolutions, in a bi-communal and bi-zonal federation, and that such a settlement must exclude union in whole or in part with any other country or any form of partition or secession; [/b]


http://www.un.org/News/Press/docs/1999/ ... C6694.html

[insan]

2. Reaffirms its previous resolutions on Cyprus;

3. Reaffirms its position on the Cyprus question, expressed most recently in resolution 649(1990) and in line with the 1977 and 1979 high-level agreements between the parties in Cyprus, that the fundamental principles of a Cyprus settlement are the sovereignty, independence, territorial integrity and non-alignment of the Republic of Cyprus, the exclusion of union in whole or in part with any other country and any form of partition or secession; and the establishment of a new constitutional arrangement for Cyprus that would ensure the well-being and security of the Greek Cypriot and Turkish Cypriot communities in a bi-communal and bi-zonal federation;

4. Reaffirms that its position on the solution to the Cyprus problem is based on one State of Cyprus comprising two politically equal communities as defined by Secretary-General in the eleventh paragraph of annex I to his report dated 8 March 1990(S/21183),

http://www.un.int/cyprus/scr716.htm

[Piratis]

as defined by Secretary-General in the eleventh paragraph of annex I to his report dated 8 March 1990(S/21183),

Where is this definition (the S/21183 report)? I have already said that I accept political equality of communities, but not in the way you want it. Communities should be equal when in comes to culture, languge and religion, but not in just about everything.

[insan]

http://www.paseka.org/DocsOfficial/Cord ... ul97-E.htm

http://www.moi.gov.cy/moi/pio/pio.nsf/0 ... as%20(1992).pdf