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[utu]

You are confusing the truth with your wishful thinking. The pseudo state is in fact illegal, and the only reason that exists is the 40.000 Turkish troops that illegally occupy 1/3rd of our country.

It still exists though (Just like an illigitimate child. Calling one 'a bastard' doesn't change the fact that it eats, sleeps, and breathes). What I'm reading in your posts Piratis, is self-denial. True, the 'political entity' that calls itself TRNC is not acknowledged, but pretending that it doesn't exist is akin to an ostrich sticking ones head in the sand. In order to solve the Cyprus problem, one must deal with what one doesn't like. The United Kingdom did so with Rhodesia even after the latter's 1965 UDI.

The situation on Cyprus needs to be addressed by either side being aware of the other's concerns, then taking concrete steps to address them. Not by pretending one side doesn't exist. If the latter were true, you'd have no problem walking from Larnaca to Kyrenia...

[Get Real!]

In order to solve the Cyprus problem, one must deal with what one doesn't like. The United Kingdom did so with Rhodesia even after the latter's 1965 UDI.

Not necessarily Utu. The RoC has the option to wait so that further options become available. Everything is bound by time as everything has a start and an end, and that includes the Turkish "victory".

The situation on Cyprus needs to be addressed by either side being aware of the other's concerns, then taking concrete steps to address them. Not by pretending one side doesn't exist. If the latter were true, you'd have no problem walking from Larnaca to Kyrenia...

International law has already spoken ages ago so the RoC doesn't have any obligations other than liberate what is rightfully hers when the time is right. In the meantime all our enemies can do is build houses on sand.

Turkey miscalculated the indigenous Cypriot’s resilience for they never studied history to know any better.

[zan]

In order to solve the Cyprus problem, one must deal with what one doesn't like. The United Kingdom did so with Rhodesia even after the latter's 1965 UDI.

Not necessarily Utu. The RoC has the option to wait so that further options become available. Everything is bound by time as everything has a start and an end, and that includes the Turkish "victory".

The situation on Cyprus needs to be addressed by either side being aware of the other's concerns, then taking concrete steps to address them. Not by pretending one side doesn't exist. If the latter were true, you'd have no problem walking from Larnaca to Kyrenia...

International law has already spoken ages ago so the RoC doesn't have any obligations other than liberate what is rightfully hers when the time is right. In the meantime all our enemies can do is build houses on sand.

Turkey miscalculated the indigenous Cypriot’s resilience for they never studied history to know any better.

I can hear the Greek national Anthem playing in the background!!!!!!! All Stand!!

[utu]

I can hear the Greek national Anthem playing in the background!!!!!!! All Stand!!

Isn't that also the national anthem of the Republic of Cyprus? Hardly the tune I'd choose as one for defining 'Cypriotness'...

What are your thoughts on the national anthem, GR?

[utu]

Not necessarily Utu. The RoC has the option to wait so that further options become available. Everything is bound by time as everything has a start and an end, and that includes the Turkish "victory".

If everything has a start and an end, that would also go for the RoC as well, wouldn't it?

[denizaksulu]

I don't know Turkish but what you posted doesn't look like Ottoman document. I see references to "KKTC" which the pseudo state illegally declared in 1983. Maybe the Ottoman prophets wrote it?

Total of 45,365.

Really? Another TC member posted some other "Ottoman Archives" showing the population of Cyprus at about 200.000

And they still say the Ottomans slaughtered them!

Are you looking in the Ottoman archives to find if the Ottomans slaughtered Cypriots or not?

There is no doubt they did my friend. Here are just a few examples:

Throughout the period of Venetian rule, Ottoman Turks raided and attacked at will. In 1489, the first year of Venetian control, Turks attacked the Karpas Peninsula, pillaging and taking captives to be sold into slavery. In 1539 the Turkish fleet attacked and destroyed Limassol. Fearing the ever-expanding Ottoman Empire, the Venetians had fortified Famagusta, Nicosia, and Kyrenia, but most other cities were easy prey.

In the summer of 1570, the Turks struck again, but this time with a full-scale invasion rather than a raid. About 60,000 troops, including cavalry and artillery, under the command of Lala Mustafa Pasha landed unopposed near Limassol on July 2, 1570, and laid siege to Nicosia. In an orgy of victory on the day that the city fell--September 9, 1570--20,000 Nicosians were put to death, and every church, public building, and palace was looted.

During the Greek War of Independence in 1821, the Ottoman authorities feared that Greek Cypriots would rebel again. Archbishop Kyprianos, a powerful leader who worked to improve the education of Greek Cypriot children, was accused of plotting against the government. Kyprianos, his bishops, and hundreds of priests and important laymen were arrested and summarily hanged or decapitated on July 9, 1821.

Piratis. You are no idiot, but why keep on posting the same old garbage written by anti Turk, anti Moslem sources. Dont you know that throughout history people have whipped up emotions to gain advantage and support over their adversaries. Like they did for the crusades.

If you read the archive (translation of) you will see the Policy at the time was to tax the non-muslims to fill up their coffers, whilst the muslims provided the fighting force to protect the tax payers.

There would not have been a cause to 'ethnically cleanse' or annihilate a population. It would be like killing the goose which laid the golden egg. Brutality there was but when provoked the ringleaders were dealt with as the custom was in those days.
Grow up and be more sensible.

Regards

[Get Real!]

I can hear the Greek national Anthem playing in the background!!!!!!! All Stand!!

Isn't that also the national anthem of the Republic of Cyprus? Hardly the tune I'd choose as one for defining 'Cypriotness'...

What are your thoughts on the national anthem, GR?

I'm not interested in anything Greek so it would have to be replaced with a local piece. We have many great composers for that... Adamos Katsantonis springs to mind.

[Get Real!]

Not necessarily Utu. The RoC has the option to wait so that further options become available. Everything is bound by time as everything has a start and an end, and that includes the Turkish "victory".

If everything has a start and an end, that would also go for the RoC as well, wouldn't it?

Life itself is bound by this law.

[denizaksulu]

In order to solve the Cyprus problem, one must deal with what one doesn't like. The United Kingdom did so with Rhodesia even after the latter's 1965 UDI.

Not necessarily Utu. The RoC has the option to wait so that further options become available. Everything is bound by time as everything has a start and an end, and that includes the Turkish "victory".

The situation on Cyprus needs to be addressed by either side being aware of the other's concerns, then taking concrete steps to address them. Not by pretending one side doesn't exist. If the latter were true, you'd have no problem walking from Larnaca to Kyrenia...

International law has already spoken ages ago so the RoC doesn't have any obligations other than liberate what is rightfully hers when the time is right. In the meantime all our enemies can do is build houses on sand.

Turkey miscalculated the indigenous Cypriot’s resilience for they never studied history to know any better.

GR, I think Turkey has learnt its lesson in history from previous losses of its territories to the Greeks. Turkey learnt how the Greek mind works and took no chances.

[Piratis]

Piratis. You are no idiot, but why keep on posting the same old garbage written by anti Turk, anti Moslem sources.

That source was the USA Library of Congress, so please don't tell me they are "anti-Turk". Do you really think that our source should be what the Ottomans themselves claimed?

utu, nobody said that the "trnc" doesn't exist. It exists as an illegal pseudo state. If I steal your wallet and name it "my wallet", it will not mean that your wallet ceased to exist, but simply that I illegally posses it, and that the name I gave to it simply does not represent the truth, as it will not be "my wallet" but your wallet. Same thing with the pseudo state. They stole the land that belongs 5+ times more to GCs than Tcs, and they declared it as supposedly being "Turkish".