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[Piratis]

Unfair!!!. Tough for you guys.

No, tough for both in the end. Do you really believe that in the long run you can gain on our loss? Any unfair gains are only short term.

Just imagine the day that the torn nation of Turkey that doesn't belong neither to the east nor to the west, will break up and loose its power. What will happen to you if by that time we don't all feel as equal compatriots? You count too much on Turkey, I think you shouldn't.

And by the way, the example of Turkey as a torn country was given in a political science course I took in the US. I am not just dreaming things that can not happen. The brake up of Turkey is very possible in the next 20 years.

[insan]

turkcyp,

The rational and legal basis of your give and take method is rotten, imho. What can be the rationale and legal basis of getting %30 executive share in all government departments while we constitute %18 of the population? There's no rationale and legal basis of demanding %30 executive share in all government departments. Also there's no need to make it a give and take issue.

The rationale and legal basis of the percentage of executive share is the population ratio. It should be %18 according to current population ratio Filling these positions with meritorious, talentful TCs and GCs is completely different issue.


All of the problems which constitute an obstacle in front of a fair and viable solution have its own rationale and legal basis. They cannot be solved with give and take method.

What's the rationale and legal basis of "I like bananana you give me 2 banananas and take these two apples that I know you like it o lot."? Then your friend told you, "No I give you two banananas if you give me 3 peaches because today I don't want two apples." Sorry turkcyp but it sounds to me totaally nonsense.

[boulio]

its funny that you say that piratis,i have a turkish friend here in the states that says the same thing that turkey will be broken up into pieces to join the EU.Also on msnbc about the time that the turkish national assembly rejected the us request to use its land for the invasion of iraq from the north was reporting here in the states that a contigency plane was beging drawn up by the state department for turkey to be broken up into pieces.

[insan]

And by the way, the example of Turkey as a torn country was given in a political science course I took in the US. I am not just dreaming things that can not happen. The brake up of Turkey is very possible in the next 20 years.

And it is said that in 20 years time Greeks in Greece will become a minority in their own homeland. It is also said that EU will brake up in 7 years time. Who knows how long it would take GCs of "RoC" to become a minority in their own homeland.

[boulio]

there are 1,500,000 foregners live in greece insan,how many crypto greeks,armenians,assyrians and lets not forget the 15-20 million kurds within turkeys borders or do you consider them mountain turks are there in turkey like the article about the turkish cypriot women being greek.

[insan]

there are 1,500,000 foregners live in greece insan,how many crypto greeks,armenians,assyrians and lets not forget the 15-20 million kurds within turkeys borders or do you consider them mountain turks are there in turkey like the article about the turkish cypriot women being greek.

I have no idea boulio. I just put forward the rumours about Greece and EU. That's all. You know we are living in an age of uncertainity. Everything is possible. super powers push the world to a new world order where all the nation states would have been broken up into regional administrations. In other words we are rapidly going through the World Kingdom and regional feuds.

[turkcyp]

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[Piratis]

Nobody knows what the future will bring. This is why nobody should count on the current balance power alone for stability. If you say today "Unfair!!!. Tough for you guys.", you might hear it tomorrow. Not a good way of creating something good for the future.
The solution needs to be the one that will bring people together and make them one body that will be harder to be damaged by external factors. The "divide and rule" of the british needs to be reversed, otherwise each generation will see a bloodshed in Cyprus.

[insan]

That is how any negotiation is done. And it is naive to think otherwise. As I have said in another topic. Goodwill is very good idea but there is a very thin line between goodwill and stupidity and naiveness.

Although I don't believe the problems can be solved with irrational and illegal methods. Let's assume we could solve it with such a give and take method; viability of the common state does not depend upon what the parties gave and took. Viability of the common state depends upon rationality and legality on the basis. And viability of the common state depends upon the capability of its people to run this common state, in structure. Then finally the goodwill comes as a self-control to prevent exploitation of the power and the problems for self or group interests; such as domination, seperatism, tyranny, injusticeness, nepotism, partisanship, bribery etc...

[turkcyp]

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