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[Piratis]

Or the truth as it is known to the rest of the world......

The "rest of the world" is not the British and the Americans. In fact what those two are doing is hated by most people around the world.

[Nikitas]

Bananiot,

If you cast Pap in the role of Gounaris who do you put in the role of Venizelos?

[humanist]

piratis

The British and the Turks have collaborated and used/use the TC minority of Cyprus as an excuse to deny to the Cypriot people our self-determination so they can divide our island among themselves. Somebody must be really stupid not to be able to see this.

that is so true and the fact is supported by Cypriots on both sides of the divide. Two weeks ago I made a new friend for life hi name Mr Hassan. Without provocation from myself he made the very same statement. He like many other Cypriots in the occupied areas realise of their fate, their country's and their grandchildrens lost identity.

Book or no book from an Briton, each day that goes by Cypriots all around are loosing out, because individuals cannot open their eyes and see the issue for what it is.

[Bananiot]

Good question Nikitas. I do not think we have anybody that can approach Venizelos. At times Klerides behaved in a very responsible manner but he certainly was no Venizelos. In 2003 he lost the elections and this was a crucial result because he could have negotiated Annan Plan 3 into a plan that could have easily been accepted by both communities.

Now, throughout the history of Greece and Cyprus, xenophobia has worked to the detriment of our interests and if Kasoulides and Christofias decide to forget about their ridiculous ideological (sic) differences and work together for the sake of Cyprus, we can all breath a deep sigh of relief and move to the post Papadopoulos era. After all, Papadopoulos is now a sorry minority.

[zan]

Or the truth as it is known to the rest of the world......

The "rest of the world" is not the British and the Americans. In fact what those two are doing is hated by most people around the world.

It was fine when they working with you but not with us You shoudn't have tried to screw them over like you do everyone else then

[Daemon]

Yes it can be described as xenophobia what TPap and his supporters are suffering from, but basically my impression from his supporters (because I’m not sure from what he is suffering most) is what they are suffering more from introvert holistic “true” (where they believe what they are the center of the world and know everything) views of the world where in the background is the mentality that only religion and holistic belief’s can produce.

For example back in 1821 when Rigas Fereos and other was influenced by the west to make the revolution the same mental cancer let the priests to put Rigas in jail and after they cursed the revolution based in the evil west (the Greek culture that was behind the European enlightenment) from where in every case we must expect the Satan. And there are many examples of “intelligent” Greek people that they praise the eastern way of life against west in favor of their eastern religion.

[Piratis]

Daemon, do you think you are wrong? I guess not.

So if you have the right to support what you believe is right then why you do not recognize this same right to everybody else?

Your words lack any kind of substance, they are just swearing basically, and I would expect from somebody that accuses others of being unintelligent to at least have something more intelligent to say.

Personally I am atheist, and I think that our earth is totally insignificant in the grand scheme of things.

What I know is what is best for myself and my children. And believe me, neither Bush, Erdogan or Gordon Brown care about me, my children, or even Cyprus. Those people care about their our countries and try to serve their own interests.

If our interests align with the interests of some foreigners then great. However there is no doubt that today, unlike 1821, the interests of UK/USA lie with Turkey. I hope you noticed how fanatically they support the Turks. Therefore it is obvious that anything that is proposed by UK/USA at this time, except from their own interests it will also be aligned with the interests of Turkey, and not ours.

So, we know what is best for us, we are the only ones that care about us, and we will take decisions based on what is best for our country, and not blindly follow whatever the US/UK wants. We might not be the center of the world, but they are not either.

[Daemon]

So if you have the right to support what you believe is right then why you do not recognize this same right to everybody else?

I give what I take and this is my honest opinion like maybe is also your honest opinion what everyone have brains in Cyprus is a traitor.

Where your ridiculous government accuse anyone that disagree with them as a traitor (they started with the Yes voters they continue with Akel and they keep walking in their shit hole) you should accept the other opinion and express your own and I’ll keep expressing my opinion until I will see some of your brain cell coming in life.

the interests of UK/USA lie with Turkey. I hope you noticed how fanatically they support the Turks.

Yes they are in love with the Turks. This is simply bullshits. America is the main factor for Turkey today economy, they are trying to control them and everything else is religion imaginations. In the Cyprus problem America was the only power that wanted and could bring a solution and they did. They wanted Turkey out of Cyprus to let Europe and them self’s to control the area and not the Turks that they are playing a double game and they can benefit against Europe and USA interests in the area. They even forced Europe (especially Germany that was putting veto to Cyprus accession with unsolved the Cyprob) to accept Cyprus with unsolved the Cyprus problem to pressure Turkey accepting a solution and they manage to bring a situation where after 30 years could solve the problem. Where the specific circumstances that was driving to a solution is doubtable that there will ever exist again in feature, even if you will pray for a worst Anan plan.

o, we know what is best for us, we are the only ones that care about us, and we will take decisions based on what is best for our country, and not blindly follow whatever the US/UK wants. We might not be the center of the world, but they are not either.

This is your opinion and my opinion is what if there will not be someone to save you from your self distractfull self’s you are doomed. And America IS the center of the world like in the past days Ancient Greece was, you are just a silly full of hate mental granny that lives in fairy tales and THINK what is in the center of the world. And no one asked to you to blindly follow what they wanted, the solution was based on what you were signing for the past 30 years and they was trying to help you and also get benefit from the situation against Turkey.

As about the foreign factor in the past of the neo-Greeks if there were not wanted and they were not motivate and help Greece ware not even going to exist. So you must stop feeling in this complex way about the foreign factor, you just have to find a way to benefit from them and cut the eastern introvert bullshits with a sharp knife.

[Piratis]

Daemon, expressing your opinion and casting your vote is not treason. Nobody accused you because of that. However when the will of the Cypriot people is expressed in the most democratic and direct way possible, and you are still trying to force your own minority opinion by collaborating with foreigners and back stabbing your own country, that is in fact treason.

What would you say if the majority had voted "yes" and only a small minority had voted "no" and those that voted "no" where doing their best to ensure that the whole Cyprus is damaged due to the democratic decision of the Cypriot people?

Your attitude if not treasonous, can only be either selfish and revengeful, or plain stupid.

You have to learn what democracy means my friend.

The foreign policy of UK/USA today is pro-Turkish. They don't do this because they love them or anybody, it just happens that today thats is what their interests are.

Solution means one thing: Democracy, human rights for all, liberation to Cyprus from foreign troops. What did the Annan plan solve? Nothing, it in fact created more problems. It was not a solution, but a change in the status, a change that would be better for UK/USA Turkey and TCs and worst for us. This is why they wanted this plan and we did not.

Nobody is in the center of the world. Empires come and go and the interests of those empires change even faster. We are on this island for 1000s of years and we are not going to commit suicide and sign off 1/3rd of our island to the Turks just because the current balance of power is on their side.

And no one asked to you to blindly follow what they wanted, the solution was based on what you were signing for the past 30 years

We never signed anything like the Annan plan my friend. Furthermore, this is the first time anybody has asked the Cypriot people of their opinion.
This is our island and nobody else should be allowed to take decisions for us ever again. In fact this is the root of the Cyprus problem. That Cyprus instead of truly being decolonized and allowing the Cypriot people to be free from the British/Turkish colonialism, they instead continue to force on us their will and divide our island among themselves. The struggle will continue until Cyprus is liberated. It is a difficult task, but they only honorable and decent one.

As about the foreign factor in the past of the neo-Greeks if there were not wanted and they were not motivate and help Greece ware not even going to exist.

And what that teaches us? That those foreigners love Greeks and everything that they propose is for the benefit of Greek? I am afraid not.

What that teaches us is that we should not capitulate, we should keep on the struggle for liberation, and one day it is very possible that our aim for liberation will be aligned with the interests of those that will have the power, and at that time we will have a good chance of gaining our freedom.

[Daemon]

Daemon, expressing your opinion and casting your vote is not treason. Nobody accused you because of that.

Your president accused the 25% of the people as nenekkos that means traitor.

And generally everyone disagrees with them is a traitor like they are trying to pass what Christofias run for president because foreign dark interest what him to.

However when the will of the Cypriot people is expressed in the most democratic and direct way possible, and you are still trying to force your own minority opinion by collaborating with foreigners and back stabbing your own country, that is in fact treason.

I’m sorry but I didn’t see any democracy in the referendum where all the media ware throwing mud to the other opinion like in the pathetic case with UNOPS and where the media was cutting important persons to explain the plan.

I’m collaborating with foreigners? The same people that had put you in Europe, the same people that you owe your existence?

You have to learn what democracy means my friend.

Yes this is what you must understand; you have a big problem in your trying to present this pathetic all most theocratic government as democracy.

I will answer in parts.