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Postby zan » Mon Nov 12, 2007 2:28 am

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Antreis wrote:Sorry Zan , but the story of yours is totally untrue.If such incident had occurred everybody would have known.
The Cyprus police are not saints but at least they do not use such methods on innocent people.

P.S Police officers wearing ski masks ?


Just saying it isn't true doesn't mean it is not.....

Try this one:

http://www.tcn-cy.freeuk.com/tekogul.htm


Your remark "Just saying it isn't true doesn't mean it is not....." might be logical . However the source you are using does not look reliable judging from the title " Illegal Greek Cypriot Court....".
There is NOT such an institution in the Republic of Cyprus nor in any other place i know !!!
So why should i read something and take it seriously when they begin with a myth. I rather read the Star Trek chronicles instead.


I have given you the benefit of the doubt as to your ability in picking out what is offensive and what is true so if a possible spelling mistake means that you are pedantic enough not to read an article in full then I was wrong to do so. (The spelling mistake was an example and not the reason you gave...Before you pull me up on that). There are many examples of beatings and detainment's in the south that are not normal procedure in the south so this one sided lambasting is wrong. We all know the small island mentality that exists in Cyprus, north and south and taking DTs word on what happened and the emotive language used by others as well is up for questioning as well yet you choose to believe that but not these...WHY!!


I did not see any spelling mistake on the title.
The word "Illegal" is spelled correctly and it repeated on the first paragraph , on the second one and so on.
Secondly in Cyprus there is only a Cyprus Court of Justice with many departments but there is not a Greek Cypriot Court nor an Armenian Cypriot Court nor a Maronite Cypriot Court nor a Latin Cypriot Court nor a Turkish Cypriot Court .There isn't even a Klingon Cypriot Court either.
The word Cypriot is spelled correctly so is the word Court.
My objections are for using an unreliable source of information.
I repeat that the Cyprus police force are not saints and it is well known that beatings have taken place occasionally but most of them have been exposed by reliable sources of information and consequently dealt with.



I think you will find there are courts in the TRNC/KKTC as well and they are refered to all over the world but that is not the point.....You have been given accounts of actions taken and if you bother to search you will find equal actions taken in the TRNC/KKTC.
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Postby oranos64 » Mon Nov 12, 2007 2:29 am

zan wrote:Sorry DT but this has got to be balanced. The GC propaganda machine has taken over...I can find more like this if needed.


BRUTALITY OF THE GREEK CYPRIOT POLICE

Twenty-six Turkish Cypriots, who crossed the border to South Cyprus with the hope of finding work and better economic conditions, were brutally beaten up by the Greek Cypriot police.
The Turkish Cypriot group, which were arrested in Limassol by the Greek Cypriot police crossed the border into the South Cyprus from the Famagusta region of the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus on February 19.

After the original questioning, the 26 Turkish Cypriots, which had little children and women amongst them, were taken to a mountainous are and were brutally beaten up by the Greek Cypriot police.

After the brutal treatment, on the night of February 20, Turkish Cypriots were put on a coach and were taken to the UN controlled buffer zone near Zumrut Koy in north-western region of Cyprus.

Turkish Cypriots who crossed the border back into the TRNC were taken to a local hospital by the Turkish Cypriot police for treatment. Out of the group the two brothers, Ahmet and Aziz Topalogullari and a blind boy aged 12 were kept in hospital for observations due to their severe injures.

Ahmet Topalogullari had a broken rib and his brother Aziz Topalogullari was suffering from a broken nose and injuries to his head.

Talking to the journalist about their horrific treatment at the hands of the Greek Cypriot police members of the group said, "when we crossed the border we met a Greek Cypriot police officer named Kosti. He arranged for us to be taken to Limassol police station in Land Rovers. While we were there, he told us he received orders that we should be taken to another police station. They put us back into the Land Rovers but instead of taking us to another police station, we were taken to a mountainous area, where there were about 16 police officers wearing ski masks waiting for us."

Explaining how badly the Greek Cypriot police beat them up, they said "our tiny children were pushed into the mud, they pulled the hair of our wives and dragged them along the ground, pointing their guns on them they made them sing. They kept firing in the air and pointing their guns on us threatening to shoot us."

Saying that they narrowly escaped death at the hands of the Greek Cypriot police, they swore never to make the same mistake of believing that they could find a better life in South Cyprus and advised the young people, who have no jobs due to the bad economy caused by the ongoing embargoes on the TRNC, not to make the same mistake.

Although the Greek Cypriot regime denied all knowledge of the brutal incident, the Greek Cypriot police are well known for its treatment of the Turkish Cypriots. Few years ago a group of 22 Turkish Cypriots who declared that they wanted to live in South Cyprus were forced at gunpoint to go to the TRNC through a minefield.

Also the case of Erkan Egmez, the Turkish Cypriot who received compensation from the Greek Cypriot regime by the decision of the European Court of Human Rights for his horrific injuries at the hands of the Greek Cypriot police, is a further evidence to the brutality of the Greek Cypriot police towards the Turkish Cypriots. To see the evidence of the torture on Erkan Egmez visit the content page of our web site. (http://www.tcn-cy.freeuk.com/content.htm)

The irony of this horrific incident is that the Turkish Cypriots, who crossed to the South Cyprus, ethnically are not Turkish. They are gypsies whose ancestors settled in Cyprus long time ago. During the sixties and seventies, just like the Turkish Cypriots, they too were attacked by the Greek Cypriots. Because of the ill treatment they received at the hands of the Greek Cypriots, they always felt safer living with the Turkish Cypriots. Due to the economic problems many of these people emigrated to the UK and just like the group in the incident, some of them went to south Cyprus for a better economic life. We dread to think what would the Greek Cypriot police do if the group were ethnically Turkish Cypriots.


The actual guilty party for the horrific treatment of these people are the European politicians, who allows the continuation of the inhuman embargoes on the TRNC, creating economic difficulty for the Turkish Cypriots, causing them to seek better economic life in South Cyprus facing harsh treatment and torture at the hands of the brutal Greek Cypriot police.


ALL GREEK CYPRIOT POLICE VECHILES ARE TRACKED 24 HOURS A DAY......YOUR AND YOUR FRIENDS STORY IS A TOTAL ACT OF IMAGINATION ..... MOST POLICE OFFICERS ARE TIMED MANAGED ....SORRY I DONT BELIEVE ONE SHREAD OF THIS STORY
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Postby iceman » Mon Nov 12, 2007 2:37 am

For those who think Cypriot police are angels,just go to http://www.cyprus-mail.com/news/
Bottom right corner there is Search Archives,select search by keyword and search for words "police brutality" :wink:
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Postby zan » Mon Nov 12, 2007 2:37 am

What about the rest of the posts than???
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Postby Piratis » Mon Nov 12, 2007 2:37 am

The GC propaganda machine has taken over


:roll:

Mate, propaganda is when some people like you create things out of nowhere by exaggerating by a factor of 100 for pure propaganda reasons.

Here we are not taking about somebody who got a slap or two and when he came to the free areas exaggerated those events claiming "torturing" for propaganda reasons, like those TCs did. Here we are talking about somebody who was murdered, not by some crazy individual but by the regime of the occupied areas. Unless you are going to tell us that he beaten himself to death so his story could be used as propaganda? :roll:

Our police might use force against those that resist arrest and sometimes they can indeed be brutal, and if any policemen do something wrong and found guilty they are punished. But they did not murder anybody, no even drug dealers like your Erkan Egmez. On the other hand your "police" was instructed by your own criminal regime to murder people, and I am sure that those that killed him not only they will not be punished but they will be rewarded as well.

So I repeat, this case is not a case of police brutality, nor a case of some psychopath individual committing murder. This is a case where the Nazi regime that rules Turkey and the occupied areas has murdered one more decent person, like they did to several others in Turkey and the occupied areas many other times in the past.
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Postby Antreis » Mon Nov 12, 2007 2:39 am

zan wrote:
Antreis wrote:
zan wrote:
Antreis wrote:
zan wrote:
Antreis wrote:Sorry Zan , but the story of yours is totally untrue.If such incident had occurred everybody would have known.
The Cyprus police are not saints but at least they do not use such methods on innocent people.

P.S Police officers wearing ski masks ?


Just saying it isn't true doesn't mean it is not.....

Try this one:

http://www.tcn-cy.freeuk.com/tekogul.htm


Your remark "Just saying it isn't true doesn't mean it is not....." might be logical . However the source you are using does not look reliable judging from the title " Illegal Greek Cypriot Court....".
There is NOT such an institution in the Republic of Cyprus nor in any other place i know !!!
So why should i read something and take it seriously when they begin with a myth. I rather read the Star Trek chronicles instead.


I have given you the benefit of the doubt as to your ability in picking out what is offensive and what is true so if a possible spelling mistake means that you are pedantic enough not to read an article in full then I was wrong to do so. (The spelling mistake was an example and not the reason you gave...Before you pull me up on that). There are many examples of beatings and detainment's in the south that are not normal procedure in the south so this one sided lambasting is wrong. We all know the small island mentality that exists in Cyprus, north and south and taking DTs word on what happened and the emotive language used by others as well is up for questioning as well yet you choose to believe that but not these...WHY!!


I did not see any spelling mistake on the title.
The word "Illegal" is spelled correctly and it repeated on the first paragraph , on the second one and so on.
Secondly in Cyprus there is only a Cyprus Court of Justice with many departments but there is not a Greek Cypriot Court nor an Armenian Cypriot Court nor a Maronite Cypriot Court nor a Latin Cypriot Court nor a Turkish Cypriot Court .There isn't even a Klingon Cypriot Court either.
The word Cypriot is spelled correctly so is the word Court.
My objections are for using an unreliable source of information.
I repeat that the Cyprus police force are not saints and it is well known that beatings have taken place occasionally but most of them have been exposed by reliable sources of information and consequently dealt with.



I think you will find there are courts in the TRNC/KKTC as well and they are refered to all over the world but that is not the point.....You have been given accounts of actions taken and if you bother to search you will find equal actions taken in the TRNC/KKTC.


The so called courts in the occupied areas are illegal entities and their "decisions" are not recognized by the Republic of Cyprus nor by any other country on the planet as far as i know. May be only by the occupying force-Turkey .
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Postby T_C » Mon Nov 12, 2007 2:40 am

oranos64 wrote:
zan wrote:Sorry DT but this has got to be balanced. The GC propaganda machine has taken over...I can find more like this if needed.


BRUTALITY OF THE GREEK CYPRIOT POLICE

Twenty-six Turkish Cypriots, who crossed the border to South Cyprus with the hope of finding work and better economic conditions, were brutally beaten up by the Greek Cypriot police.
The Turkish Cypriot group, which were arrested in Limassol by the Greek Cypriot police crossed the border into the South Cyprus from the Famagusta region of the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus on February 19.

After the original questioning, the 26 Turkish Cypriots, which had little children and women amongst them, were taken to a mountainous are and were brutally beaten up by the Greek Cypriot police.

After the brutal treatment, on the night of February 20, Turkish Cypriots were put on a coach and were taken to the UN controlled buffer zone near Zumrut Koy in north-western region of Cyprus.

Turkish Cypriots who crossed the border back into the TRNC were taken to a local hospital by the Turkish Cypriot police for treatment. Out of the group the two brothers, Ahmet and Aziz Topalogullari and a blind boy aged 12 were kept in hospital for observations due to their severe injures.

Ahmet Topalogullari had a broken rib and his brother Aziz Topalogullari was suffering from a broken nose and injuries to his head.

Talking to the journalist about their horrific treatment at the hands of the Greek Cypriot police members of the group said, "when we crossed the border we met a Greek Cypriot police officer named Kosti. He arranged for us to be taken to Limassol police station in Land Rovers. While we were there, he told us he received orders that we should be taken to another police station. They put us back into the Land Rovers but instead of taking us to another police station, we were taken to a mountainous area, where there were about 16 police officers wearing ski masks waiting for us."

Explaining how badly the Greek Cypriot police beat them up, they said "our tiny children were pushed into the mud, they pulled the hair of our wives and dragged them along the ground, pointing their guns on them they made them sing. They kept firing in the air and pointing their guns on us threatening to shoot us."

Saying that they narrowly escaped death at the hands of the Greek Cypriot police, they swore never to make the same mistake of believing that they could find a better life in South Cyprus and advised the young people, who have no jobs due to the bad economy caused by the ongoing embargoes on the TRNC, not to make the same mistake.

Although the Greek Cypriot regime denied all knowledge of the brutal incident, the Greek Cypriot police are well known for its treatment of the Turkish Cypriots. Few years ago a group of 22 Turkish Cypriots who declared that they wanted to live in South Cyprus were forced at gunpoint to go to the TRNC through a minefield.

Also the case of Erkan Egmez, the Turkish Cypriot who received compensation from the Greek Cypriot regime by the decision of the European Court of Human Rights for his horrific injuries at the hands of the Greek Cypriot police, is a further evidence to the brutality of the Greek Cypriot police towards the Turkish Cypriots. To see the evidence of the torture on Erkan Egmez visit the content page of our web site. (http://www.tcn-cy.freeuk.com/content.htm)

The irony of this horrific incident is that the Turkish Cypriots, who crossed to the South Cyprus, ethnically are not Turkish. They are gypsies whose ancestors settled in Cyprus long time ago. During the sixties and seventies, just like the Turkish Cypriots, they too were attacked by the Greek Cypriots. Because of the ill treatment they received at the hands of the Greek Cypriots, they always felt safer living with the Turkish Cypriots. Due to the economic problems many of these people emigrated to the UK and just like the group in the incident, some of them went to south Cyprus for a better economic life. We dread to think what would the Greek Cypriot police do if the group were ethnically Turkish Cypriots.


The actual guilty party for the horrific treatment of these people are the European politicians, who allows the continuation of the inhuman embargoes on the TRNC, creating economic difficulty for the Turkish Cypriots, causing them to seek better economic life in South Cyprus facing harsh treatment and torture at the hands of the brutal Greek Cypriot police.


ALL GREEK CYPRIOT POLICE VECHILES ARE TRACKED 24 HOURS A DAY......YOUR AND YOUR FRIENDS STORY IS A TOTAL ACT OF IMAGINATION ..... MOST POLICE OFFICERS ARE TIMED MANAGED ....SORRY I DONT BELIEVE ONE SHREAD OF THIS STORY



Ahem Ahem....

I promise (Lena) this is the last time I will do this BUT....

The European Court of Human Rights has condemned Cyprus for the inhumane treatment of a group of nine Turkish Cypriots who were expelled from the south of the island in 1994.
The seven judges at the Strasbourg court said the victims, who said they were seeking work in the Greek Cypriot area, suffered brutality of varying degrees after being arrested.

European Court ruling
The Court of Human Rights ruled that police officers had mistreated the group, and told them they would be killed if they returned.
The ruling is the first time that the Strasbourg court has upheld complaints by Turkish Cypriots of police brutality in the southern half of the island.
Two weeks ago, the same court found that Turkey had committed widespread human rights abuses following its invasion of northern Cyprus in 1974.
In delivering its verdict, the court ruled that the Greek Cypriot police had intentionally subjected the group to "ill-treatment of varying degrees of intensity".

Forced statements
The court found that the applicants had been forced to sign statements saying they were returning to the northern part of Cyprus of their own free will.
In a unanimous ruling, the judges said that while the brutality did not constitute torture, it was serious enough to be considered inhuman behaviour.
The court was (")unable to clear up(") who was responsible for the killing of a 24-year-old Turkish Cypriot who was allegedly shot when he returned to the Greek Cypriot side after having been expelled. [/size]
The Cyprus Government has said the incidents happened at a time of tension in the southern part of the island following two bomb attacks on mosques in the capital, Nicosia.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/1347294.stm
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Postby LENA » Mon Nov 12, 2007 2:43 am

I bet they will "force" you to post again TC...:( If you wanted to stop you were not going to post it!
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Postby T_C » Mon Nov 12, 2007 2:43 am

Piratis wrote:
The GC propaganda machine has taken over


:roll:

Mate, propaganda is when some people like you create things out of nowhere by exaggerating by a factor of 100 for pure propaganda reasons.

Here we are not taking about somebody who got a slap or two and when he came to the free areas exaggerated those events claiming "torturing" for propaganda reasons, like those TCs did. Here we are talking about somebody who was murdered, not by some crazy individual but by the regime of the occupied areas. Unless you are going to tell us that he beaten himself to death so his story could be used as propaganda? :roll:

Our police might use force against those that resist arrest and sometimes they can indeed be brutal, and if any policemen do something wrong and found guilty they are punished. But they did not murder anybody, no even drug dealers like your Erkan Egmez. On the other hand your "police" was instructed by your own criminal regime to murder people, and I am sure that those that killed him not only they will not be punished but they will be rewarded as well.

So I repeat, this case is not a case of police brutality, nor a case of some psychopath individual committing murder. This is a case where the Nazi regime that rules Turkey and the occupied areas has murdered one more decent person, like they did to several others in Turkey and the occupied areas many other times in the past.


Oh please Piratis. If they had murdered him like you say they did then it would of had a more significant coverage in the press. The fact the GREEK Cypriot coroner stated that his injuries were NOT related to his death says it all. While it's disgusting and shameful I don't know where you're pulling these "murderer" accusations from?
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Postby Antreis » Mon Nov 12, 2007 2:44 am

iceman wrote:For those who think Cypriot police are angels,just go to http://www.cyprus-mail.com/news/
Bottom right corner there is Search Archives,select search by keyword and search for words "police brutality" :wink:


No body believes that they are angels but things are changing for the better.
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