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[Saint Jimmy]

The game must be played according to its rules. They always played this game according to its rules except the killjoy actions of far right led by Grivas, Junta and Grivas. It's not hard to play this game according to its rules and create different impressions that would serve to avhieve their "national cause". TCs fumble to play this game this according to its rules because noone could manage to silence the voice of TC left wingers. On the other hand, there are so many GC left wingers admited that their voice silenced by despot party leadership for the so-called "national unity".

Insan, let me see if I get it straight. 'The game' is what exactly? That GCs are still trying to achieve union with Greece? If that's what it is, what kind of rules applied when enosis was alive? GCs then spoke openly of it, because they truly were after it. They don't any more, because they are not.
The 'national cause' you keep referring to is not a secret plan to achieve union with Greece. It's only our intention on maintaining our ties to the motherland (cultural ties - not union!), and not giving up on the struggle to liberate the occupied areas. I know you probably don't like the terminology used here, and I know I probably should have avoided it, but it's the only way (I think) of spelling it out to you, the way we see it, as clearly as I can. I hope you don't take it wrong.

[insan]

Insan, let me see if I get it straight. 'The game' is what exactly? That GCs are still trying to achieve union with Greece? If that's what it is, what kind of rules applied when enosis was alive? GCs then spoke openly of it, because they truly were after it. They don't any more, because they are not.

The rules of the game can be found in Akritas Plan. Afterwards 1974, circumstances of Cyprus totally changed. They revised the Akritas Plan and based it upon EU membership of "RoC". Why do you think Greece blackmailed EU concerning the membership of "RoC"?

The "ordinary" GCs are not aware of what's going on behind the scenes. But the leadership of all political parties and the big capital owners of South aare all well aware of it.

The 'national cause' you keep referring to is not a secret plan to achieve union with Greece. It's only our intention on maintaining our ties to the motherland (cultural ties - not union!), and not giving up on the struggle to liberate the occupied areas. I know you probably don't like the terminology used here, and I know I probably should have avoided it, but it's the only way (I think) of spelling it out to you, the way we see it, as clearly as I can. I hope you don't take it wrong

The detailed meaning of national cause of GC nation is also well explained in Akritas Plan.

[brother]

Well if ENOSIS was still the ambition i guess it has been achieved already the day ROC joined the E.U which Greece is already a member of.

[-mikkie2-]

When are you people going to get it into your thick sculls that the Greek Cypriots do not want enosis with greece. 99% do not care of enosis with greece. THey care about having Cyprus free for everyone. Its peopple like Insan that keep the enosis dream alive!

[boulio]

yes brother it has but technically you can argue that cyprus also achieved enosis with finland also.

[Saint Jimmy]

The rules of the game can be found in Akritas Plan. Afterwards 1974, circumstances of Cyprus totally changed. They revised the Akritas Plan and based it upon EU membership of "RoC". Why do you think Greece blackmailed EU concerning the membership of "RoC"?
The "ordinary" GCs are not aware of what's going on behind the scenes. But the leadership of all political parties and the big capital owners of South aare all well aware of it.
The detailed meaning of national cause of GC nation is also well explained in Akritas Plan.

But the Akritas plan was devised and almost implemented by those 'far right extremists' you mentioned earlier. Are you saying the leaderships of all political parties and the big capital owners of the South belong to that 'far right extremist' group?
I think Greece blackmailed (I don't completely agree with this term, but this is beside the point) the EU concerning RoC's accession for two reasons:
a) to facilitate solving the Cyprus problem - during the time when Greece did most of the 'blackmailing' (mid and late 90s and early 00s), the political leadership in Turkey and the TRNC did not even talk about the Cyprus problem - 'we solved it in 1974'.
b) to pay back their debt to Cyprus - to 'wash their sins' before and in 1974. In fact, after the Copenhagen summit, which finalized RoC's accession, Greece's premier Costas Simites said 'We've paid you back. We owe nothing more.' He wasn't talking about any bank loan.

[insan]

When are you people going to get it into your thick sculls that the Greek Cypriots do not want enosis with greece. 99% do not care of enosis with greece. THey care about having Cyprus free for everyone. Its peopple like Insan that keep the enosis dream alive!

You have already achieved the Enosis and there are so many GCs that are happy with the full cooperation with Greece. This is something you always exerted hard to forbid us. You wanted very close relations and full cooperation with Greece without any disturbing elements(TCs and Turkey). You had it afterwards 1974 at the expense of its consequences. The fact is that only a part of Cyprus under GC control has this full cooperation with Greece. You want whole Cyprus to be under GC control for a better and startegical full cooperation with Greece.

Keep dreaming.

[Saint Jimmy]

When are you people going to get it into your thick sculls that the Greek Cypriots do not want enosis with greece. 99% do not care of enosis with greece. THey care about having Cyprus free for everyone. Its peopple like Insan that keep the enosis dream alive!

Mikkie, no offense man, but we're saying the same thing with different words. I'm sure we could all do without this tone.
Besides, Insan has proved that he is not a fanatic. I'm sure that he truly does believe this secret enosis agenda, and that he is not using it as propaganda in order to ascribe ulterior motives, just for the sake of playing the blame game.
No offense, once again.

[brother]

True bulio and 23 others at that, and you could say turkey wants enosis with you lot aswell.

[metecyp]

I don't think Enosis was or is the real issue here. The real issue is the simple majority rule. GCs are majority on the island and they don't believe that 18% is a high enough percentage to be considered as a seperate community. So they asked for Enosis in 1950s because that's what 82% wanted (majority rule). Then, they asked for the removal of privileges, given to TCs in the RoC, in 1963 because 82% believed that 18% doesn't deserve such privileges(majority rule). Now, they claim that the RoC represents the whole island and its people because it represents 82% of the island so they're trying to expand the majority rule to the north of the island.

The problem will be solved when the majority understands and accepts the minority as a politically equal partner. Otherwise, we'll be going in circles. Yesterday the problem was materialized as Enosis, then removal of privileges, etc. today the problem is materialized as "democracy and human rights" and tomorrow maybe it'll be materialized as "Europeanization of Cyprus" but the problem is always the same: the reluctance of GCs to accept TCs as an equal partner.

And this reluctance in turn provides two choices for TCs:
1. accept living in a GC majority and hope that they'll continue to exist as a community inside the majority.
2. hope for a bicommunal bizonal federation where there are guarantees (and not just wishful thinking) for TCs to exist as a community.

TCs choose 2 and it's not going to change.