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[brother]

That was a cheap shot mikkie but for the record if the ROC is independant then why in december did not tassos do his veto that he threatened and instead all we read about was how greece told him not to do it etc.

[-mikkie2-]

Brother,

There have been many cheap shots from Insan brother. I find his acusations baseless because he thinks that Cyprus is under the thumb of Greece which is so far from the truth.

In December Cyprus did not veto Turkey because Greece told her not to. What evidence is there that Greece did that? There are 23 other EU members. Papadopoulos is not stupid. I didn't expect him to veto Turkey. It suited us to say yes! Why? Because we can then have influence over Turkey's progress and influence over the negotiations.

[insan]

It suited us to say yes! Why?

You always speak the things that suit you, anyways...

[cannedmoose]

In December Cyprus did not veto Turkey because Greece told her not to. What evidence is there that Greece did that? There are 23 other EU members. Papadopoulos is not stupid. I didn't expect him to veto Turkey. It suited us to say yes! Why? Because we can then have influence over Turkey's progress and influence over the negotiations.

In full agreement with mikkie on this one brother. If Cyprus was subject to Greek 'control' then the veto issue wouldn't have even gone to the wire as the Greeks were pressuring Cyprus not to veto well before the Council. In addition, it was the hostile reception that TPap received from leaders such as Jacques (Papa who?) Chirac that heaped extra pressure on Cyprus not to cause an issue. Plus, as mikkie correctly said, it's in Cyprus' interest to facilitate the early stages of Turkish accession negotiations as the pressure on Turkey to facilitate a settlement can only increase as time progresses.

The old maxim 'keep your friends close, but your enemies closer' is too true in this case.

[insan]

If Cyprus was subject to Greek 'control' then the veto issue wouldn't have even gone to the wire as the Greeks were pressuring Cyprus not to veto well before the Council.

That's why Tassos and Karamanlis reaffirmed their full concensus, just about a month ago; upon their common strategy they have been following, remote since ages...

[cannedmoose]

If Cyprus was subject to Greek 'control' then the veto issue wouldn't have even gone to the wire as the Greeks were pressuring Cyprus not to veto well before the Council.

That's why Tassos and Karamanlis reaffirmed their full concensus, just about a month ago; upon their common strategy they have been following, remote since ages...

Insan, it's a common strategy as long as it doesn't conflict with national interests... if Greek policy was to diverge from that of Cyprus, I think you'd see this 'common strategy' you refer to quickly fall away. As you should know, talk is cheap and quickly forgotten, action is far more important.

Also, don't I remember the Greek government being in favour of the Annan Plan, only to have their faces slapped by a certain TPap? If Greece controlled Cypriot policy, you'd be living in a bicommunal, bizonal federation today... It's hardly demonstrative of 'joined-up government' as we'd call it in the UK.

[insan]

So... Karamanlis pretends that he supports a solution based on Annan Plan but on the other hand he gives full support for Tassos' "European Solution" thesis. Bad show re...

[MicAtCyp]

Greece is also very happy to see her flags waving in all GC schools afterwards the intervention of 1974.

Not only on schools but also on churches and other buldings under the control of the Communal assembly (not the State) before and after 1974 up until today as per 1960 constitution! So what is your problem?

You are politically and culturally have been integrated with Greece but you are not aware.

We were always culturally integrated with them that is why we are called GCs. Do you deny the same thing is valid for you? Politically NO!

[insan]

Not only on schools but also on churches and other buldings under the control of the Communal assembly (not the State) before and after 1974 up until today as per 1960 constitution! So what is your problem?

You only kept the provisions of 1960 constitution that suit you! Ain't it obvious what is the problem?

[Piratis]

You only kept the provisions of 1960 constitution that suit you! Ain't it obvious what is the problem?

So when the 18% is illegally occupying 1/3rd of the island, what do you want us to do? Fly the flags of the occupation force on our schools or what?