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[insan]

But the Akritas plan was devised and almost implemented by those 'far right extremists' you mentioned earlier. Are you saying the leaderships of all political parties and the big capital owners of the South belong to that 'far right extremist' group?

Akritas Plan was devised by almost all parties of GCs and Greeks in early 1960s. At the time all political forces of GCs and Greeks were in consensus about what how to achieve "majority rule" and eventually Enosis.

I think Greece blackmailed (I don't completely agree with this term, but this is beside the point) the EU concerning RoC's accession for two reasons:
a) to facilitate solving the Cyprus problem - during the time when Greece did most of the 'blackmailing' (mid and late 90s and early 00s), the political leadership in Turkey and the TRNC did not even talk about the Cyprus problem - 'we solved it in 1974'.

"We solved it in 1974" is just a interpretation of left wing TC media. It is clear why Turkey was rejecting the talks during those years : PKK training camps in Greece, Ocalan captured with a GC issued passport, s-300 missiles and disputes about "RoCs" EU membership.

b) to pay back their debt to Cyprus - to 'wash their sins' before and in 1974. In fact, after the Copenhagen summit, which finalized RoC's accession, Greece's premier Costas Simites said 'We've paid you back. We owe nothing more.' He wasn't talking about any bank loan.

Good method for full reconciliation between "father" and "son". Now you can continue to struggle for your national cause, more carefully, from the point it was interrupted by Turkey after the killjoy actions of Grivas, Junta, Sampson and their crew.

[cannedmoose]

yes brother it has but technically you can argue that cyprus also achieved enosis with finland also.

Not forgetting enosis with mighty Luxembourg also...

I have to say I'm finding this whole thread slightly bizarre. I sense no existing desire for enosis beyond a VERY small number of hardliners. As for joining the EU representing some sort of 'enosis by stealth' that is absolutely ridiculous as well, Cyprus joined a union of 25 countries, not just Greece. Does this mean that because Turkey ultimately seeks membership of the Union, it too has a burning desire for union with Greece?? Obviously no.

Enosis is a dead concept, a historical movement that is way past its sell-by-date. Anyone agitating for it is displaying a certain lack of understanding of how the modern world functions, and anyone believing that it is the life's ambition of the majority of Greek Cypriots is slightly deluding themselves.

Like I said, I find this whole thread a bit odd and even more passe

[insan]

yes brother it has but technically you can argue that cyprus also achieved enosis with finland also.

Not forgetting enosis with mighty Luxembourg also

You well know what we are talking about but you still pretending that you don't understand. Well... keep up your stance...

[-mikkie2-]

Now Insan is changing the meaning of enosis to mean that we now have cooperation with greece! Well fine. Nothing to do with the full integration of Cyprus into Greece where we vote, together with 10 million other greeks, for the greek president, where our budget is controlled by greece, where we pay our taxes to greece etc etc. Its just that we cooparate and have bilateral relations with them. Silly me. How stupid of me.

[cannedmoose]

You well know what we are talking about but you still pretending that you don't understand. Well... keep up your stance...

Show some evidence of this 'revised Akritas plan' and you might have a case insan, otherwise I think you're being amazingly paranoid about this. I don't mean to be offensive, but I'm amazed at your perception of how Greek Cypriots think today. Your viewpoint was valid 40 years ago, but totally out of kilter with what's going on south of the Green Line in 2005.

[insan]

You well know what we are talking about but you still pretending that you don't understand. Well... keep up your stance...

Show some evidence of this 'revised Akritas plan' and you might have a case insan, otherwise I think you're being amazingly paranoid about this. I don't mean to be offensive, but I'm amazed at your perception of how Greek Cypriots think today. Your viewpoint was valid 40 years ago, but totally out of kilter with what's going on south of the Green Line in 2005.

I have already showed all of the evidences I've found. There's no need to show them one more time.

[cannedmoose]

I have already showed all of the evidences I've found. There's no need to show them one more time.

Again, show some evidence and your argument might have some credibility. Also, show me some opinion poll evidence indicating that ANY sizeable segment of Greek Cypriot society supports:

1. Political union with Greece
2. Occupation of the North by force

... and you might regain some credibility. From what I can see, your argument is dead in the water.

[metecyp]

Again, Enosis is not the issue here, it's the simple majority rule and denial of TCs as an equal partner. We know even in this forum, many GCs advocate simple majority rule and anything beyond that is against democracy for them.

[insan]

Again, show some evidence and your argument might have some credibility. Also, show me some opinion poll evidence indicating that ANY sizeable segment of Greek Cypriot society supports:

1. Political union with Greece

The current reciprocal, strong cooperation between "RoC" and Greece is the strongest evidence that they have a political union. They always support each others pollitical decisions and frequently consult each other to maintain this "useful" partnership.

2. Occupation of the North by force

... and you might regain some credibility. From what I can see, your argument is dead in the water.

I don't need you to approve some credibility for me... you are free to feel whatever you want about me.

They dream that by using the EU membership they will force us to accept the solution they want. Ain't it obvios to you? And it is obvious what kind of solution Hellenic ruling elite(Masters of puppet politicians) want. You can't find just one among them that supports "political equality" of two communities.

[cannedmoose]

Again, Enosis is not the issue here, it's the simple majority rule and denial of TCs as an equal partner. We know even in this forum, many GCs advocate simple majority rule and anything beyond that is against democracy for them.

Metecyp, I agree with you that it's a sad fact that many GCs have yet to appreciate that in any future administration of Cyprus, TCs will have to be regarded as an equal partner, whether that be through a federal structure or some other mechanism. Yes, this may be distasteful for some GCs, who will consider it as a reward for Turkish aggression, but there really isn't a way out of it. Again, the benefits of a loose federation come through strongly, with each community largely in control of its own destiny but reaching agreement on issues that involve them both.