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[zan]

How do you know who wrote it? You were there?

Furthermore the "akritas plan" was nothing compared with the partition plan that the Turks had since the 50s, announced officially by Kucuk, and implemented to the letter in 1974. The Turkish partition plan involved the killing and ethnic cleansing of 100s of thousands of people. On the other hand the "akritas plan" talked about getting the self-determination that we should have been given in the first place, and in fact they wanted to achieve this without anybody getting hurt or any conflicts.

Keep talking about some anonymous document and exaggerating it is a cheap attempt to cover up the official Turkish criminal plans and actions. What is criminal and illegal are the actions, not what somebody writes anonymously on a paper.

You are unbelievable, you will have everyone believe that because we thwated your plans and implimented our own we are the bad guys, you guys were the ones who wanted to turn us into Greece, you fucked up big time and we stopped you. The rest is bullshit..you are now paying the price via division/loss of property but unfortunately we are also paying for your mistakes and fighting back to save our exsistence.

The struggle mentioned in the "akritas plan" was based on acquiring self determination, not on ENOSIS.
But Turkey did not want Cyprus to have self-determination and so it set about sabotaging the struggle.

That is total bullshit.....It was for the destruction of the Zurich agreement and the Turkish Cypriot people and nothing else

Don't exaggerate . . . you know full well (this is not a cue for you to paste the whole thing again . . . I have it in front of me ) it was a struggle for self determination, modifying the Zurich agreement . . . and absolutely NO WAY does it say ANYTHING about harming any TCs . . . in fact it specifies that they should NOT be harmed.

Total bullshit yet again...Self determination was already achieved in 1960 for all Cypriots......That was a plan for total domination......As for not harming the TCs.....It says that the next step should be according to how things go...It does not rule out violence but warns against Turkey intervening...As soon as they thought that Turkey would not intervene the next step became clear...Force the TCs to go or simply kill them by the hundred.........The lucky ones left.

[phoenix]

How do you know who wrote it? You were there?

Furthermore the "akritas plan" was nothing compared with the partition plan that the Turks had since the 50s, announced officially by Kucuk, and implemented to the letter in 1974. The Turkish partition plan involved the killing and ethnic cleansing of 100s of thousands of people. On the other hand the "akritas plan" talked about getting the self-determination that we should have been given in the first place, and in fact they wanted to achieve this without anybody getting hurt or any conflicts.

Keep talking about some anonymous document and exaggerating it is a cheap attempt to cover up the official Turkish criminal plans and actions. What is criminal and illegal are the actions, not what somebody writes anonymously on a paper.

You are unbelievable, you will have everyone believe that because we thwated your plans and implimented our own we are the bad guys, you guys were the ones who wanted to turn us into Greece, you fucked up big time and we stopped you. The rest is bullshit..you are now paying the price via division/loss of property but unfortunately we are also paying for your mistakes and fighting back to save our exsistence.

The struggle mentioned in the "akritas plan" was based on acquiring self determination, not on ENOSIS.
But Turkey did not want Cyprus to have self-determination and so it set about sabotaging the struggle.

That is total bullshit.....It was for the destruction of the Zurich agreement and the Turkish Cypriot people and nothing else

Don't exaggerate . . . you know full well (this is not a cue for you to paste the whole thing again . . . I have it in front of me ) it was a struggle for self determination, modifying the Zurich agreement . . . and absolutely NO WAY does it say ANYTHING about harming any TCs . . . in fact it specifies that they should NOT be harmed.

Total bullshit yet again...Self determination was already achieved in 1960 for all Cypriots......That was a plan for total domination......As for not harming the TCs.....It says that the next step should be according to how things go...It does not rule out violence but warns against Turkey intervening...As soon as they thought that Turkey would not intervene the next step became clear...Force the TCs to go or simply kill them by the hundred.........The lucky ones left.

Now that is a bit closer to the truth . . . on no account were TCs to be hurt would have been right on the button.
If they had to address Turkey's very real likelihood of intervention that is understandable.
But to say Cyprus had self determination in 1960 means you do not respect the rules of democracy.

[zan]

How do you know who wrote it? You were there?

Furthermore the "akritas plan" was nothing compared with the partition plan that the Turks had since the 50s, announced officially by Kucuk, and implemented to the letter in 1974. The Turkish partition plan involved the killing and ethnic cleansing of 100s of thousands of people. On the other hand the "akritas plan" talked about getting the self-determination that we should have been given in the first place, and in fact they wanted to achieve this without anybody getting hurt or any conflicts.

Keep talking about some anonymous document and exaggerating it is a cheap attempt to cover up the official Turkish criminal plans and actions. What is criminal and illegal are the actions, not what somebody writes anonymously on a paper.

You are unbelievable, you will have everyone believe that because we thwated your plans and implimented our own we are the bad guys, you guys were the ones who wanted to turn us into Greece, you fucked up big time and we stopped you. The rest is bullshit..you are now paying the price via division/loss of property but unfortunately we are also paying for your mistakes and fighting back to save our exsistence.

The struggle mentioned in the "akritas plan" was based on acquiring self determination, not on ENOSIS.
But Turkey did not want Cyprus to have self-determination and so it set about sabotaging the struggle.

That is total bullshit.....It was for the destruction of the Zurich agreement and the Turkish Cypriot people and nothing else

Don't exaggerate . . . you know full well (this is not a cue for you to paste the whole thing again . . . I have it in front of me ) it was a struggle for self determination, modifying the Zurich agreement . . . and absolutely NO WAY does it say ANYTHING about harming any TCs . . . in fact it specifies that they should NOT be harmed.

Total bullshit yet again...Self determination was already achieved in 1960 for all Cypriots......That was a plan for total domination......As for not harming the TCs.....It says that the next step should be according to how things go...It does not rule out violence but warns against Turkey intervening...As soon as they thought that Turkey would not intervene the next step became clear...Force the TCs to go or simply kill them by the hundred.........The lucky ones left.

Now that is a bit closer to the truth . . . on no account were TCs to be hurt would have been right on the button.
If they had to address Turkey's very real likelihood of intervention that is understandable.
But to say Cyprus had self determination in 1960 means you do not respect the rules of democracy.

Have you managed to find bullshit at wholesale prices tonight or what Democracy means that all sides agree and sign on the bottom line...It has no other definition than that...You just seem to think that the Gc version of ruling over us is the definition.

[MR-from-NG]

How do you know who wrote it? You were there?

Furthermore the "akritas plan" was nothing compared with the partition plan that the Turks had since the 50s, announced officially by Kucuk, and implemented to the letter in 1974. The Turkish partition plan involved the killing and ethnic cleansing of 100s of thousands of people. On the other hand the "akritas plan" talked about getting the self-determination that we should have been given in the first place, and in fact they wanted to achieve this without anybody getting hurt or any conflicts.

Keep talking about some anonymous document and exaggerating it is a cheap attempt to cover up the official Turkish criminal plans and actions. What is criminal and illegal are the actions, not what somebody writes anonymously on a paper.

You are unbelievable, you will have everyone believe that because we thwated your plans and implimented our own we are the bad guys, you guys were the ones who wanted to turn us into Greece, you fucked up big time and we stopped you. The rest is bullshit..you are now paying the price via division/loss of property but unfortunately we are also paying for your mistakes and fighting back to save our exsistence.

The struggle mentioned in the "akritas plan" was based on acquiring self determination, not on ENOSIS.
But Turkey did not want Cyprus to have self-determination and so it set about sabotaging the struggle.

That is total bullshit.....It was for the destruction of the Zurich agreement and the Turkish Cypriot people and nothing else

Don't exaggerate . . . you know full well (this is not a cue for you to paste the whole thing again . . . I have it in front of me ) it was a struggle for self determination, modifying the Zurich agreement . . . and absolutely NO WAY does it say ANYTHING about harming any TCs . . . in fact it specifies that they should NOT be harmed.

Total bullshit yet again...Self determination was already achieved in 1960 for all Cypriots......That was a plan for total domination......As for not harming the TCs.....It says that the next step should be according to how things go...It does not rule out violence but warns against Turkey intervening...As soon as they thought that Turkey would not intervene the next step became clear...Force the TCs to go or simply kill them by the hundred.........The lucky ones left.

Now that is a bit closer to the truth . . . on no account were TCs to be hurt would have been right on the button.
If they had to address Turkey's very real likelihood of intervention that is understandable.
But to say Cyprus had self determination in 1960 means you do not respect the rules of democracy.

Have you managed to find bullshit at wholesale prices tonight or what Democracy means that all sides agree and sign on the bottom line...It has no other definition than that...You just seem to think that the Gc version of ruling over us is the definition.

Zan, they are the dominant ones, they are the alpha male, the superior beings.

TCs are insignificant. That's typical Greek/GC mentality.

[zan]

Not any more mate...Reality stinks for them....

[phoenix]

How do you know who wrote it? You were there?

Furthermore the "akritas plan" was nothing compared with the partition plan that the Turks had since the 50s, announced officially by Kucuk, and implemented to the letter in 1974. The Turkish partition plan involved the killing and ethnic cleansing of 100s of thousands of people. On the other hand the "akritas plan" talked about getting the self-determination that we should have been given in the first place, and in fact they wanted to achieve this without anybody getting hurt or any conflicts.

Keep talking about some anonymous document and exaggerating it is a cheap attempt to cover up the official Turkish criminal plans and actions. What is criminal and illegal are the actions, not what somebody writes anonymously on a paper.

You are unbelievable, you will have everyone believe that because we thwated your plans and implimented our own we are the bad guys, you guys were the ones who wanted to turn us into Greece, you fucked up big time and we stopped you. The rest is bullshit..you are now paying the price via division/loss of property but unfortunately we are also paying for your mistakes and fighting back to save our exsistence.

The struggle mentioned in the "akritas plan" was based on acquiring self determination, not on ENOSIS.
But Turkey did not want Cyprus to have self-determination and so it set about sabotaging the struggle.

That is total bullshit.....It was for the destruction of the Zurich agreement and the Turkish Cypriot people and nothing else

Don't exaggerate . . . you know full well (this is not a cue for you to paste the whole thing again . . . I have it in front of me ) it was a struggle for self determination, modifying the Zurich agreement . . . and absolutely NO WAY does it say ANYTHING about harming any TCs . . . in fact it specifies that they should NOT be harmed.

Total bullshit yet again...Self determination was already achieved in 1960 for all Cypriots......That was a plan for total domination......As for not harming the TCs.....It says that the next step should be according to how things go...It does not rule out violence but warns against Turkey intervening...As soon as they thought that Turkey would not intervene the next step became clear...Force the TCs to go or simply kill them by the hundred.........The lucky ones left.

Now that is a bit closer to the truth . . . on no account were TCs to be hurt would have been right on the button.
If they had to address Turkey's very real likelihood of intervention that is understandable.
But to say Cyprus had self determination in 1960 means you do not respect the rules of democracy.

Have you managed to find bullshit at wholesale prices tonight or what Democracy means that all sides agree and sign on the bottom line...It has no other definition than that...You just seem to think that the Gc version of ruling over us is the definition.

You are making less and less sense.
The major principle of Democracy is majority rule . . . and you know that was not possible with the 1960 Agreement.

[zan]

How do you know who wrote it? You were there?

Furthermore the "akritas plan" was nothing compared with the partition plan that the Turks had since the 50s, announced officially by Kucuk, and implemented to the letter in 1974. The Turkish partition plan involved the killing and ethnic cleansing of 100s of thousands of people. On the other hand the "akritas plan" talked about getting the self-determination that we should have been given in the first place, and in fact they wanted to achieve this without anybody getting hurt or any conflicts.

Keep talking about some anonymous document and exaggerating it is a cheap attempt to cover up the official Turkish criminal plans and actions. What is criminal and illegal are the actions, not what somebody writes anonymously on a paper.

You are unbelievable, you will have everyone believe that because we thwated your plans and implimented our own we are the bad guys, you guys were the ones who wanted to turn us into Greece, you fucked up big time and we stopped you. The rest is bullshit..you are now paying the price via division/loss of property but unfortunately we are also paying for your mistakes and fighting back to save our exsistence.

The struggle mentioned in the "akritas plan" was based on acquiring self determination, not on ENOSIS.
But Turkey did not want Cyprus to have self-determination and so it set about sabotaging the struggle.

That is total bullshit.....It was for the destruction of the Zurich agreement and the Turkish Cypriot people and nothing else

Don't exaggerate . . . you know full well (this is not a cue for you to paste the whole thing again . . . I have it in front of me ) it was a struggle for self determination, modifying the Zurich agreement . . . and absolutely NO WAY does it say ANYTHING about harming any TCs . . . in fact it specifies that they should NOT be harmed.

Total bullshit yet again...Self determination was already achieved in 1960 for all Cypriots......That was a plan for total domination......As for not harming the TCs.....It says that the next step should be according to how things go...It does not rule out violence but warns against Turkey intervening...As soon as they thought that Turkey would not intervene the next step became clear...Force the TCs to go or simply kill them by the hundred.........The lucky ones left.

Now that is a bit closer to the truth . . . on no account were TCs to be hurt would have been right on the button.
If they had to address Turkey's very real likelihood of intervention that is understandable.
But to say Cyprus had self determination in 1960 means you do not respect the rules of democracy.

Have you managed to find bullshit at wholesale prices tonight or what Democracy means that all sides agree and sign on the bottom line...It has no other definition than that...You just seem to think that the Gc version of ruling over us is the definition.

You are making less and less sense.
The major principle of Democracy is majority rule . . . and you know that was not possible with the 1960 Agreement.

I think you need to think about this a bit more........Democracy is just an agreement and if the agreement is that One person rules then that is the bottom line. We elect a president to make decisions for us at top level... Only when they want to pass the buck, like Tpap with the Annan Plan, do they then have a referendum. Makarios and therefore the GC people signed the Zurich agreement and, as Copperline aptly put it, it is very hard for you guys to say that he signed under duress if pictures of the event show him shaking hands with the TCs and smiling........I suppose you are going to say that Sampson and Grivas had the majority rule in mind when they became terrorists.......

[phoenix]

How do you know who wrote it? You were there?

Furthermore the "akritas plan" was nothing compared with the partition plan that the Turks had since the 50s, announced officially by Kucuk, and implemented to the letter in 1974. The Turkish partition plan involved the killing and ethnic cleansing of 100s of thousands of people. On the other hand the "akritas plan" talked about getting the self-determination that we should have been given in the first place, and in fact they wanted to achieve this without anybody getting hurt or any conflicts.

Keep talking about some anonymous document and exaggerating it is a cheap attempt to cover up the official Turkish criminal plans and actions. What is criminal and illegal are the actions, not what somebody writes anonymously on a paper.

You are unbelievable, you will have everyone believe that because we thwated your plans and implimented our own we are the bad guys, you guys were the ones who wanted to turn us into Greece, you fucked up big time and we stopped you. The rest is bullshit..you are now paying the price via division/loss of property but unfortunately we are also paying for your mistakes and fighting back to save our exsistence.

The struggle mentioned in the "akritas plan" was based on acquiring self determination, not on ENOSIS.
But Turkey did not want Cyprus to have self-determination and so it set about sabotaging the struggle.

That is total bullshit.....It was for the destruction of the Zurich agreement and the Turkish Cypriot people and nothing else

Don't exaggerate . . . you know full well (this is not a cue for you to paste the whole thing again . . . I have it in front of me ) it was a struggle for self determination, modifying the Zurich agreement . . . and absolutely NO WAY does it say ANYTHING about harming any TCs . . . in fact it specifies that they should NOT be harmed.

Total bullshit yet again...Self determination was already achieved in 1960 for all Cypriots......That was a plan for total domination......As for not harming the TCs.....It says that the next step should be according to how things go...It does not rule out violence but warns against Turkey intervening...As soon as they thought that Turkey would not intervene the next step became clear...Force the TCs to go or simply kill them by the hundred.........The lucky ones left.

Now that is a bit closer to the truth . . . on no account were TCs to be hurt would have been right on the button.
If they had to address Turkey's very real likelihood of intervention that is understandable.
But to say Cyprus had self determination in 1960 means you do not respect the rules of democracy.

Have you managed to find bullshit at wholesale prices tonight or what Democracy means that all sides agree and sign on the bottom line...It has no other definition than that...You just seem to think that the Gc version of ruling over us is the definition.

You are making less and less sense.
The major principle of Democracy is majority rule . . . and you know that was not possible with the 1960 Agreement.

I think you need to think about this a bit more........Democracy is just an agreement and if the agreement is that One person rules then that is the bottom line. We elect a president to make decisions for us at top level... Only when they want to pass the buck, like Tpap with the Annan Plan, do they then have a referendum. Makarios and therefore the GC people signed the Zurich agreement and, as Copperline aptly put it, it is very hard for you guys to say that he signed under duress if pictures of the event show him shaking hands with the TCs and smiling........I suppose you are going to say that Sampson and Grivas had the majority rule in mind when they became terrorists.......

Untangle your thoughts, please. You are jumping from TPap to Makarios to copperline to etc. with no coherence.

Democracy is not just an Agreement, it is as set of guiding principles established to allow for MAJORITY RULE.

People under duress can still shake hands with their oppressors . . but that is why it is under duress because they HAD to accept something they were not completely happy with.

If S & G, cared for anyone
And what about the actions of the TMT on Cyprus, which were NOT with establishing majority rule in mind.

[zan]

Phoenix wrote:

Untangle your thoughts, please. You are jumping from TPap to Makarios to copperline to etc. with no coherence.

Democracy is not just an Agreement, it is as set of guiding principles established to allow for MAJORITY RULE.

People under duress can still shake hands with their oppressors . . but that is why it is under duress because they HAD to accept something they were not completely happy with.

If S & G, cared for anyone
And what about the actions of the TMT on Cyprus, which were NOT with establishing majority rule in mind.

It is not my fault that you cannot follow a train of thought that takes many aspects and ties the loose ends to make a coherent synergy


Majority rule is not the be all and end all of democracy. Signing an agreement and sticking to it and conducting all business withing those boundaries is democracy. Armed struggle is not democracy but a favourite pass-time of you guys....Sabotaging a constitution is not democracy but an act of treason.

The one thing that will always screw you up when you put the TMT up as an excuses for EOKA and ENOSIS is the fact that EOKA existed long long before TMT. What they did in existence is another matter but that fact is there and will not change the way you have changed other facts.....

[Piratis]

How do you know who wrote it? You were there?

Furthermore the "akritas plan" was nothing compared with the partition plan that the Turks had since the 50s, announced officially by Kucuk, and implemented to the letter in 1974. The Turkish partition plan involved the killing and ethnic cleansing of 100s of thousands of people. On the other hand the "akritas plan" talked about getting the self-determination that we should have been given in the first place, and in fact they wanted to achieve this without anybody getting hurt or any conflicts.

Keep talking about some anonymous document and exaggerating it is a cheap attempt to cover up the official Turkish criminal plans and actions. What is criminal and illegal are the actions, not what somebody writes anonymously on a paper.

You are unbelievable, you will have everyone believe that because we thwated your plans and implimented our own we are the bad guys, you guys were the ones who wanted to turn us into Greece, you fucked up big time and we stopped you. The rest is bullshit..you are now paying the price via division/loss of property but unfortunately we are also paying for your mistakes and fighting back to save our exsistence.

VP, Cyprus has been Greek for thousands of years. It is not us who are trying by force to change what Cyprus really is.

All we have ever asked was to be free from foreigners (Turks, British etc), and finally have self determination for our own island just as it is our right.

I don't want to play your "good guys - bad guys" games here, keep that for brainwashing your school children. What is certain is that you are the ones who invaded our country, killed 10s of thousands, ethnically cleansed 100s of thousands, and you are now looking for cheap excuses to commit yet more crimes against us and steal our land.

The partition plan of Turkey, the plan that demanded the killing and ethnic cleansing of 1000s of Cypriots from their homeland, was published officially by Kucuk back in the 50s, and it was executed to the letter in 1974, and even until today you are trying to legalize that crime. And then you talk about some anonymous "akritas plan" which didn't even call for murders, killings or anything even remotely close to what you have done against us multiple times in the past, and you continue doing today.

The UN passed a resolution on 20th July 1974. If Turkey was excused to invade and occupy Cyprus then that resolution would not be passed. The fact is that your cheap excuses of tiny selective history and anonymous documents could not and can not be an excuse for Turkey to occupy Cyprus. You couldn't even convince your closest allies and then you expect us to buy your cheap excuses?