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[Kikapu]

I see Kikapu is back to his Greek ways as usual!

And Yeah MRfromNG! Stop "trying" to be compassionate towards the GCs...start agreeing with everything they say otherwise it just not good enough! It's the only way to become a "True Cypriot" you see.

Nobody asked anyone to agree with the GC's T_C. I only question the sincerity of some TC's views that they express here on the forum. On October 19th when I looked into the Forum briefly, you, MR-from-NG and Iceman were confronting the Fanatic Partitionists, which was a positive thing, but when I do it, I get accused of as "brown nosing". The difference with me and the bunch of other TC's, except for Bir, I'm consistent with my views and do not drift back and forth depending which way the wind blows.

Btw, did you eventually write anything regarding your trip to Cyprus. Since I was away for a while, I may have missed it, if you had. Point me to the right place to find it, if you did write anything.

[MR-from-NG]

I see Kikapu is back to his Greek ways as usual!

And Yeah MRfromNG! Stop "trying" to be compassionate towards the GCs...start agreeing with everything they say otherwise it just not good enough! It's the only way to become a "True Cypriot" you see.

Nobody asked anyone to agree with the GC's T_C. I only question the sincerity of some TC's views that they express here on the forum. On October 19th when I looked into the Forum briefly, you, MR-from-NG and Iceman were confronting the Fanatic Partitionists, which was a positive thing, but when I do it, I get accused of as "brown nosing". The difference with me and the bunch of other TC's, except for Bir, I'm consistent with my views and do not drift back and forth depending which way the wind blows.

Btw, did you eventually write anything regarding your trip to Cyprus. Since I was away for a while, I may have missed it, if you had. Point me to the right place to find it, if you did write anything.

Kikapu, whats wrong with you? why cant I or any other TC have sympathy, genuine from the heart sympathy for the GC refugees but have a difference of opinion on other Cyprob issues.

I want a final and fair solution to the land dispute, I'll support all the GCs in their fight for getting justice. But I will fight them to the bone for a fair solution for my TC community.

You think you are the only one with a heart? you think you have a higher standard of values and morels than us? Well bollocks to you, you self indulgent git

[Kikapu]

I see Kikapu is back to his Greek ways as usual!

And Yeah MRfromNG! Stop "trying" to be compassionate towards the GCs...start agreeing with everything they say otherwise it just not good enough! It's the only way to become a "True Cypriot" you see.

Nobody asked anyone to agree with the GC's T_C. I only question the sincerity of some TC's views that they express here on the forum. On October 19th when I looked into the Forum briefly, you, MR-from-NG and Iceman were confronting the Fanatic Partitionists, which was a positive thing, but when I do it, I get accused of as "brown nosing". The difference with me and the bunch of other TC's, except for Bir, I'm consistent with my views and do not drift back and forth depending which way the wind blows.

Btw, did you eventually write anything regarding your trip to Cyprus. Since I was away for a while, I may have missed it, if you had. Point me to the right place to find it, if you did write anything.

Kikapu, whats wrong with you? why cant I or any other TC have sympathy, genuine from the heart sympathy for the GC refugees but have a difference of opinion on other Cyprob issues.

I want a final and fair solution to the land dispute, I'll support all the GCs in their fight for getting justice. But I will fight them to the bone for a fair solution for my TC community.

You think you are the only one with a heart? you think you have a higher standard of values and morels than us? Well bollocks to you, you self indulgent git

Your idea of fair justice to the refugees MR-from-NG, is for them to be compensated monetarily but denied access to their land and property and the Northern part of Cyprus to remain purely TC and Turkish, which is a form of a Partition. I too want the best for my community, which is fairness, equality and treated same as any other Cypriot on the island, but with your idea of fair solution to the TC's that will include denying the rightful Cypriots owners to return to their lands, is nothing more than a Racist, Undemocratic and violation of Human Rights. This is not my idea of a "fair solution". In the past you have condemned the Israelis acting this way towards the Palestinians, but yet, your idea of "fair solution" is nothing different than the Israelis. If this makes me a "indulgent git", then I plea guilty your honour.

[MR-from-NG]

This is what Pyrpolizer said,

And that impression was not far from reality. That's why the Annan plan was rejected.

I don't blame the TCs, when I realize they themselves understand this was not right.

On a side note. Believe me any solution that dares touch on peoples rights of ownership is going to bring worse bloodshed than the 60s. The only scheme that can work is exchange of equal value of properties and the rest stay to the original owners to do whatever they like with them. Most Gcs will not return, most probably they will sell or develop their properties and that would benefit the TCs in a dual way.(development in their own area without too many GCs returning)

Are you more Greek than Pyrpolizer?

[Kikapu]

This is what Pyrpolizer said,

And that impression was not far from reality. That's why the Annan plan was rejected.

I don't blame the TCs, when I realize they themselves understand this was not right.

On a side note. Believe me any solution that dares touch on peoples rights of ownership is going to bring worse bloodshed than the 60s. The only scheme that can work is exchange of equal value of properties and the rest stay to the original owners to do whatever they like with them. Most Gcs will not return, most probably they will sell or develop their properties and that would benefit the TCs in a dual way.(development in their own area without too many GCs returning)

Are you more Greek than Pyrpolizer?

What Pyro says in correct. Only you are not reading it correctly. What Pyro is saying, that some land compensation will need to be made because some of the GC lands have already been developed on, therefore compensation is in order, however, for all the other GC land that has not been developed on but were sold on the cheap to buyers, need to be returned back to their rightful owners and the rightful owners themselves will determine if they would wish to return back to their lands sell it, rent it, or develop it. I have made the claim many times before, that the majority of the GC's will not move to the North no matter what kind of system of Government is used there, but it will be their choice and not the choice of the Partitionist. We can guarantee a better future for the TC's this way than imposing other methods by force, which will end up in bloodshed. Our good friend "Devil" gave good examples on another thread couple of days ago, as to why a forced or even a agreed Partition is bad for Cyprus and Cypriots in general.

[Pyrpolizer]

This is what Pyrpolizer said,

And that impression was not far from reality. That's why the Annan plan was rejected.

I don't blame the TCs, when I realize they themselves understand this was not right.

On a side note. Believe me any solution that dares touch on peoples rights of ownership is going to bring worse bloodshed than the 60s. The only scheme that can work is exchange of equal value of properties and the rest stay to the original owners to do whatever they like with them. Most Gcs will not return, most probably they will sell or develop their properties and that would benefit the TCs in a dual way.(development in their own area without too many GCs returning)

Are you more Greek than Pyrpolizer?

What Pyro says in correct. Only you are not reading it correctly. What Pyro is saying, that some land compensation will need to be made because some of the GC lands have already been developed on, therefore compensation is in order, however, for all the other GC land that has not been developed on but were sold on the cheap to buyers, need to be returned back to their rightful owners and the rightful owners themselves will determine if they would wish to return back to their lands sell it, rent it, or develop it. I have made the claim many times before, that the majority of the GC's will not move to the North no matter what kind of system of Government is used there, but it will be their choice and not the choice of the Partitionist. We can guarantee a better future for the TC's this way than imposing other methods by force, which will end up in bloodshed. Our good friend "Devil" gave good examples on another thread couple of days ago, as to why a forced or even a agreed Partition is bad for Cyprus and Cypriots in general.

Actually what I was saying is that ALL land either developed or non developed should be returned to the rightful owners. I think I was perfectly clear when I said no GC can accept his ownerships rights taken away.

The case of unused land is perfectly clear, it returns to the rightful owner immediately.
In case the land was developed then there should be a separate title deed for the building sitting on it, which deed should expire after the lifetime of the building (70 years is what all concrete buildings live).During that period the owner of the land is entitled rent from the one who builted the building on his land.Any other arrangement between the two like exchange, selling, or buying should be entirely upto them.

Is this what you understood MrfromNg, or something else

[zan]

This is what Pyrpolizer said,

And that impression was not far from reality. That's why the Annan plan was rejected.

I don't blame the TCs, when I realize they themselves understand this was not right.

On a side note. Believe me any solution that dares touch on peoples rights of ownership is going to bring worse bloodshed than the 60s. The only scheme that can work is exchange of equal value of properties and the rest stay to the original owners to do whatever they like with them. Most Gcs will not return, most probably they will sell or develop their properties and that would benefit the TCs in a dual way.(development in their own area without too many GCs returning)

Are you more Greek than Pyrpolizer?

What Pyro says in correct. Only you are not reading it correctly. What Pyro is saying, that some land compensation will need to be made because some of the GC lands have already been developed on, therefore compensation is in order, however, for all the other GC land that has not been developed on but were sold on the cheap to buyers, need to be returned back to their rightful owners and the rightful owners themselves will determine if they would wish to return back to their lands sell it, rent it, or develop it. I have made the claim many times before, that the majority of the GC's will not move to the North no matter what kind of system of Government is used there, but it will be their choice and not the choice of the Partitionist. We can guarantee a better future for the TC's this way than imposing other methods by force, which will end up in bloodshed. Our good friend "Devil" gave good examples on another thread couple of days ago, as to why a forced or even a agreed Partition is bad for Cyprus and Cypriots in general.

So without a solution or the return to the Zurich agreement you want the GCs to trade in a "pseudo" land of the TRNC/KKTC.... How can that be

[MR-from-NG]

This is what Pyrpolizer said,

And that impression was not far from reality. That's why the Annan plan was rejected.

I don't blame the TCs, when I realize they themselves understand this was not right.

On a side note. Believe me any solution that dares touch on peoples rights of ownership is going to bring worse bloodshed than the 60s. The only scheme that can work is exchange of equal value of properties and the rest stay to the original owners to do whatever they like with them. Most Gcs will not return, most probably they will sell or develop their properties and that would benefit the TCs in a dual way.(development in their own area without too many GCs returning)

Are you more Greek than Pyrpolizer?

What Pyro says in correct. Only you are not reading it correctly. What Pyro is saying, that some land compensation will need to be made because some of the GC lands have already been developed on, therefore compensation is in order, however, for all the other GC land that has not been developed on but were sold on the cheap to buyers, need to be returned back to their rightful owners and the rightful owners themselves will determine if they would wish to return back to their lands sell it, rent it, or develop it. I have made the claim many times before, that the majority of the GC's will not move to the North no matter what kind of system of Government is used there, but it will be their choice and not the choice of the Partitionist. We can guarantee a better future for the TC's this way than imposing other methods by force, which will end up in bloodshed. Our good friend "Devil" gave good examples on another thread couple of days ago, as to why a forced or even a agreed Partition is bad for Cyprus and Cypriots in general.

Actually what I was saying is that ALL land either developed or non developed should be returned to the rightful owners. I think I was perfectly clear when I said no GC can accept his ownerships rights taken away.

The case of unused land is perfectly clear, it returns to the rightful owner immediately.
In case the land was developed then there should be a separate title deed for the building sitting on it, which deed should expire after the lifetime of the building (70 years is what all concrete buildings live).During that period the owner of the land is entitled rent from the one who builted the building on his land.Any other arrangement between the two like exchange, selling, or buying should be entirely upto them.

Is this what you understood MrfromNg, or something else

Pryp, I don't suffer with lack of understanding. I congratulated you last night for your very realistic vision. What you are saying is the most likeliest scenario.

Show me one post from Kikapu that resembles anything to your post. All he can say is "what about the 200000 refugees, you are holding onto their properties illegally, now get out and let these poor people back into their properties" maybe not his exact words but very close. Never will he mentions what happens to the poor TC refugees living in these properties, nor will he mention (as you did) that most of them don't want to come back and they'd rather sell and live happily where they are now.

Of course I and the rest of the TCs welcome those GCs that want to return.

The guy fights a better and more determined fight than any of you GCs. I bet his blood is more Greek than that of Piratis, kifeas, Sotos and Phoenix. He is a wannabe Greek.

I hope you now understand my point.

[zan]

Just as a by on this one...There are not 200, 000 refugees as the Greek propaganda machine claims because 40,000 returned almost immediately after the cease fire to homes near the border. Many more would have returned with a properly negotiated Annan Plan to Verosia and the like......Keeps going down ey!!!!

[Get Real!]

The guy fights a better and more determined fight than any of you GCs. I bet his blood is more Greek than that of Piratis, kifeas, Sotos and Phoenix. He is a wannabe Greek.

I hope you now understand my point.

We have many Greeks, English, and Cypriots like Bananiot, constantly campaigning against the RoC and/or GCs but instead of just verbally abusing them we take them on and counter their views as best as we can and by doing so we demonstrate our tolerance, albeit sometimes very limited , of the existence of opposing views.