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[Kifeas]

Pyrp, I'm not trying to prove myself to be right or you to be wrong here. I'm merely stating facts. The Annan plan gave the impression that the land in the north was for TCs to keep. Blame the UN not the TCs.

And that impression was not far from reality. That's why the Annan plan was rejected.

I don't blame the TCs, when I realize they themselves understand this was not right.

On a side note. Believe me any solution that dares touch on peoples rights of ownership is going to bring worse bloodshed than the 60s. The only scheme that can work is exchange of equal value of properties and the rest stay to the original owners to do whatever they like with them. Most Gcs will not return, most probably they will sell or develop their properties and that would benefit the TCs in a dual way.(development in their own area without too many GCs returning)

A very good point Pyrp. If this mentality is one that a good majority of GCs subscribe to then there is hope for this to be settled without bloodshed.

I wonder what the hardliners like Kifeas, piratis and Sotos would say about your predictions.

As they say, "better the tail of the dog than the head of a donkey!"

Better to be considered a hardliner, than an imbecile of low IQ!

[phoenix]

Pyrp, I'm not trying to prove myself to be right or you to be wrong here. I'm merely stating facts. The Annan plan gave the impression that the land in the north was for TCs to keep. Blame the UN not the TCs.

And that impression was not far from reality. That's why the Annan plan was rejected.

I don't blame the TCs, when I realize they themselves understand this was not right.

On a side note. Believe me any solution that dares touch on peoples rights of ownership is going to bring worse bloodshed than the 60s. The only scheme that can work is exchange of equal value of properties and the rest stay to the original owners to do whatever they like with them. Most Gcs will not return, most probably they will sell or develop their properties and that would benefit the TCs in a dual way.(development in their own area without too many GCs returning)

A very good point Pyrp. If this mentality is one that a good majority of GCs subscribe to then there is hope for this to be settled without bloodshed.

I wonder what the hardliners like Kifeas, piratis and Sotos would say about your predictions.

As they say, "better the tail of the dog than the head of a donkey!"

Better to be considered a hardliner, than an imbecile of low IQ!

. . . and does it follow that the more of a hardliner one is, the greater is their I.Q. ?

[BigDutch]

... He is simply saying that contrary to common belief the military is here at our request. we voted YES to the plan and had the GCs voted YES too they would simply have been asked, as dictated by the plan to leave, and leave they would. Thus making their stay legal and justifiably so too.

I do NOT understand this logic at all, it must be a "TRNC" supporter thing. My train of thought ...

1) pre AP 2004 - Turkish Army Occupation Illegal and now confirmed by all parties involved

2) AP2004 success - A success of the plan means various major changes in the current status quo including most of the Turkish army heading home.

or

AP2004 failure - A failure of the plan means everything in the plan is neutralised and none of it is relevant any more. All null and void.


3) post AP2004 - as Annan plan is null and void anything it contained is now null and void which, to me, suggests that we are back to (1) above where the Turkish presence, by all parties, is known to be illegal.

Advise me !

[zan]

... He is simply saying that contrary to common belief the military is here at our request. we voted YES to the plan and had the GCs voted YES too they would simply have been asked, as dictated by the plan to leave, and leave they would. Thus making their stay legal and justifiably so too.

I do NOT understand this logic at all, it must be a "TRNC" supporter thing. My train of thought ...

1) pre AP 2004 - Turkish Army Occupation Illegal and now confirmed by all parties involved

2) AP2004 success - A success of the plan means various major changes in the current status quo including most of the Turkish army heading home.

or

AP2004 failure - A failure of the plan means everything in the plan is neutralised and none of it is relevant any more. All null and void.


3) post AP2004 - as Annan plan is null and void anything it contained is now null and void which, to me, suggests that we are back to (1) above where the Turkish presence, by all parties, is known to be illegal.

Advise me !

The Turkish army is looking for a government that will revert to the original 1960 constitution , in full, under which it acted as a guarantee power to stop the Greek coup and the killings.....No such government exists.

[BigDutch]

zan - the thread is about Talat informing us that since the Annan Vote the Turkish Army is legal in Cyprus, suggesting that before that it wasn't legal. Regardless of what you or i think about the intervention/invasion and ongoing occupation/"search for 1960 styled government" ... the thread is about Talats comment, which to me makes no sense at all.

[Eliko]

BigDutch, surely you are not trying to make some sense out of political chicanery and corruption ?, whatever the position may be, be it illegal or otherwise, the final decision will be well known but kept secret from the people who are most affected long before such decision is implemented.

[BigDutch]

eliko - i don't understand the reason for the jubilation shown by "Viewpoint", "Zan" and "MR-from-NG"

[zan]

zan - the thread is about Talat informing us that since the Annan Vote the Turkish Army is legal in Cyprus, suggesting that before that it wasn't legal. Regardless of what you or i think about the intervention/invasion and ongoing occupation/"search for 1960 styled government" ... the thread is about Talats comment, which to me makes no sense at all.

The Annan Plan was the only vote that took place to ask for a return to the constitution or come to an agreed solution that would have made the constitution null and void. What Mr Talat is saying is not that the period before was illegal but was reinforced by the Oxi from the GGcs and the yes from the TCs. It was only Kifeas trying to score points that said he has admitted to them being illegal before. No where in his speech does he say that. It means it is the proof and not the other way around.

[boomerang]

zan - the thread is about Talat informing us that since the Annan Vote the Turkish Army is legal in Cyprus, suggesting that before that it wasn't legal. Regardless of what you or i think about the intervention/invasion and ongoing occupation/"search for 1960 styled government" ... the thread is about Talats comment, which to me makes no sense at all.

The Annan Plan was the only vote that took place to ask for a return to the constitution or come to an agreed solution that would have made the constitution null and void. What Mr Talat is saying is not that the period before was illegal but was reinforced by the Oxi from the GGcs and the yes from the TCs. It was only Kifeas trying to score points that said he has admitted to them being illegal before. No where in his speech does he say that. It means it is the proof and not the other way around.

Zan I think you are reading too much into tea leafs...this is what Talat said...

The presence of the Turkish military was legalized when the Turkish side voted ''yes''

He said before the TCS voted "yes" the presence of the turkish troops was illegal...

Now what makes anything legal by a one community, by voting "yes" is anyone's guess...and then at times turkey and tcs claim rights, as to the oil...go figure...it really comes down to which direction the wind blows I guess...

PS...I hope the little one recovers well...I had mine out at 13

[Eliko]

BigDutch, I think the whole issue of ANY difference of opinion is dependant on the ability to perceive the other party's point of view.

Emotive issues fluctuate from time to time, the one who feels they have ascendancy will naturally display such euphoric traits, (much like a football match), I am afraid we will all have to await the 'Final Whistle' before we will be informed of the 'Legal' or 'Illegal' aspects of the occupation.

The only thing we can be sure of is the fact that whatever the decision IS, it will be greeted with jubilation by one camp or the other, naturally ALL the politicians will be in full agreement, that's the REAL name of their game.

In my humble opinion.