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[Piratis]

GC CS = approx 65% (so hardly changed)
TC CS = approx 19% (so approximately half current)
British bases = just over 1% (accounting for the reduction cited in the AP)
Federal zones = approximately 15%

Why the 18% of TCs to get 19% and the 82% of GCs (+ other minorities) to get just 65%? Do we seem to you like the idiots that should always accept less?

For images try this: http://xs.to/

[cannedmoose]

Why the 18% of TCs to get 19% and the 82% of GCs (+ other minorities) to get just 65%? Do we seem to you like the idiots that should always accept less?

Why do you always have to label suggestions as attacks Piratis... get a grip man... Did I call anyone idiots? No, that was a label of your own devising.

No Piratis, remember that approximately 1/4 of the GC population (in addition to a similar % of the TC population would come under the federal zones... these would be shared entities, so if you wanted to (on a theoretical rather than practical level) you could consider half of these areas to be GC territory, therefore the 82% (which is a figure that you quote often but can only be worked out with a census of the true population these days) would have 72.5% of the territory, more than would have been achieved under the AP.

Effectively, 1/4 of the island's population would be located in the federal zones anyway, so % splits of territory would cease to have the meaning that they do under a simple split territory design.

You also seem to be ignoring the massive reduction that would be accepted by the TC's... from 34% to 28.5% under AP(V) and 19% under this territorial design. Personally, I think that would be a huge compromise, so I'm surprised that you can't see it in the same light.

For images try this: http://xs.to/

For that suggestion, I thank you. I will give it a go and upload a version of this territorial plan.

[MicAtCyp]

Turkcyp,
Yes of course I agree that our agreement will and must become a primary Aquis. The problem is not that. The problem is that if our agreement is getting the Aquis back to the middle ages, that would not be accepted by the EU itself.
That is the reason the Anan Plan had ZERO chance to pass through the EU parliaments.
As for the other members of the forum who seem to think that we are "dreaming" for a European solution I am wondering what their own "dream" is for. For an African solution maybe?

PS. I know of one case so far that an AVRUPA became AFRIKA....

[turkcyp]

Turkcyp,
Yes of course I agree that our agreement will and must become a primary Aquis. The problem is not that. The problem is that if our agreement is getting the Aquis back to the middle ages, that would not be accepted by the EU itself.
That is the reason the Anan Plan had ZERO chance to pass through the EU parliaments.
As for the other members of the forum who seem to think that we are "dreaming" for a European solution I am wondering what their own "dream" is for. For an African solution maybe?

PS. I know of one case so far that an AVRUPA became AFRIKA....

I guess the difference in our opinion lies at the fact that I do not believe Annan Plan was that againts acquis. There were derogations from acquis but they were temporary in nature, and derogations were not the kind that are never employed by other countries.

But I guess that is why we have a forum huh, to meet the opposing opinions.

Take care,

[Piratis]

Personally, I think that would be a huge compromise, so I'm surprised that you can't see it in the same light.

Let me know when you come to cyprus. I will come and steal everything you have. Then, I will give back to you part of it. I expect you to say "Thanks". Ok?

(even better, sign a document that half of what you formerly own is now mine, so I will be legally covered also)

[cannedmoose]

Personally, I think that would be a huge compromise, so I'm surprised that you can't see it in the same light.

Let me know when you come to cyprus. I will come and steal everything you have. Then, I will give back to you part of it. I expect you to say "Thanks". Ok?

(even better, sign a document that half of what you formerly own is now mine, so I will be legally covered also)

Aside from your sarcastic point piratis, that I feel is totally uncalled for within the boundaries of a discussion, below is a link to the boundaries I proposed.

http://xs20.xs.to/pics/05112/FederalCYMap.jpg

[metecyp]

As for the other members of the forum who seem to think that we are "dreaming" for a European solution I am wondering what their own "dream" is for. For an African solution maybe?

No, we're not looking for an African solution. My personal dream is also a "European solution" but I'm realistic. I don't think that we can have a European solution until being a TC or a GC does not mean nothing more than what language you speak. Until we reach to that point, we have to have some kind of seperation, some kind of protections and checks & balances so TCs can feel safe and secure and TCs can finally see in reality, not in words, that TCs and GCs can indeed coexist without the fear of domination of one on the other. You want a European solution now, not because you believe that it's realistic, but you believe that a European solution wil mean total effective GC control of the island without checks&balances. If it works, it's great but if it doesn't work, it'll grant you the permanent control of the island and TCs can do whatever they want to feel safe and secure once again. We won't let this happen and you can call us "African solution dreamers" if you like. I'd rather be labelled that than go through what my parents went through between 1963-1974.

[Piratis]

I'd rather be labelled that than go through what my parents went through between 1963-1974.

Metecyp, in my apartment I have a rifle and 200 bullets. If I want to use them against you, would it matter what the kind of solution it will be? Actually the worst solution for us, the higher the chances such thing will happen, and not the opposite.

As I said many times, the TCs could be protected and have their proportionate share in many ways. What they really want though, is the power to take a disproportionate amount of benefits and money for themselves. Anybody here believes that TCs will be satisfied with the 18% of anything? (so far they proven that they will not).

[Viewpoint]

Metecyp, in my apartment I have a rifle and 200 bullets.

Why do you need those? against us??? or the Russians??

What they really want though, is the power to take a disproportionate amount of benefits and money for themselves.

You have learned and know nothing about Turkish Cypriots.

Anybody here believes that TCs will be satisfied with the 18% of anything? (so far they proven that they will not).

I am a TC and would accept 18% division just for the basic reason of not living with someone who has a gun and bullets mentality, would you TRUST such a person????

[cannedmoose]

I am a TC and would accept 18% division just for the basic reason of not living with someone who has a gun and bullets mentality, would you TRUST such a person????

Viewpoint, I think Piratis' constant references to his weapons cache demonstrates what kind of individual he is. It's akin to the IRA in Northern Ireland saying, 'we don't intend to use our weapons, but hey, we'll let you know that we've got them nonetheless'.

Fair enough if he uses them for hunting, but effectively by using the line:

Metecyp, in my apartment I have a rifle and 200 bullets. If I want to use them against you, would it matter what the kind of solution it will be?

... he is hinting that he would be willing to use them. Even if this line was simply designed to make a point, I think it was a despicable use of the open nature of this forum and Piratis, you should apologise to Metecyp for the implications in your statement, i.e. if I want to use them against YOU. Crazy, man, just crazy and just when you were starting to demonstrate some real flashes of inspiration in your posts too...

No doubt you'll accuse me of being a Turk-lover or something, but I agree fully with viewpoint's response to your message and I'm sure many others would also. I kinda comfort myself when what I write causes either you or insan to disagree with me on respective issues, then I know I'm steering a middle ground... (no offence insan ).