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[brother]

The turksih army are not here at the moment but piratis is, but i cannot imagine what possesed you to jump in and be his lawyer or protector, or do you agree with his attitude and ideas.

So that would be 2 dissapointments in one day, whatever happened to the civilised conversation.

[boulio]

The turksih army are not here at the moment but piratis is, but i cannot imagine what possesed you to jump in and be his lawyer or protector, or do you agree with his attitude and ideas.

the turkish army however is in cyprus were piratis is,and what possed me to jump in is that t/c seem to keep yelling about there fears and sufferings and never seem to understand the other side.as long as there are turkish troops in masse in cyprus the g/c have every right to protect themselves.

how many of those bullets were used against the t/c in the last two years during all this interaction and crossings?

the t/c are not the g/c's enemy turkey is,the sooner you realize it the better.

[boulio]

zero

[Piratis]

Brother, we keep the weapons for defense, and thats perfectly justified considering that our country is occupied by a foreign invader and currently we are not in peace but in cease fire situation.

Maybe I have to remind you that our invader is a country of 65 million people with a fully equipped army several times bigger our whole population?

This is why it is needed each one of us to be a soldier. Do you think we want it? No, but we are given no choice.

[Saint Jimmy]

Brother, we keep the weapons for defense

Brother, I tried to explain this point to you before, but it seems that in your shock, neither you nor Viewpoint got the message. This sentence is not rhetoric! It is deeply rooted in our minds that we only get guns given to us for defence purposes, to be used if and when needed - only if Turkey attacks! I really can't stress this point enough, because I'm as confident about it as I've been about anything in my life. And, once again, we would not have them if the army hadn't made us get them! This is as straightforward as that, too!

[Piratis]

I should add that if had a powerful army (like the other side does), we wouldn't need to keep weapons in our homes. However our army in the case of an attack can hold no more than 2 days. On the other hand, it is very difficult to capture a town with 75000 armed soldiers in it. So keeping these weapons at home is a necessity due to the fact that we don't have enough power for anything but guerilla war.

[Viewpoint]

Im going to buy a gun today as well, to protect my family from Greek Cypriots/Greece Miltary, Greek Cypriots,British, Russia UK EU, Piratis, Saint Jimmy etc etc.
Does this warrant me having a gun in my home????Is that OK with everyone???

[Saint Jimmy]

ΟΚ Viewpoint, you are completely right.
When you find time, go tattoo somewhere on your wrist 'Try to read what other people post, not just my own'. Maybe that'll help.
How many times have I told you that we don't buy guns - we don't want guns - we wouldn't have guns if the RoC Army authorities didn't make us get them? I bet you don't even know. Is this the first you've heard of this?

I will never respond to any of your posts again, until I'm convinced you've found your will to discuss. You are very annoying and you should do something about it. I wonder what kind of issues you have...

Oh, well!

[cannedmoose]

The whole topic is so f'd up...

Name of topic is "Compromises" and look what people are disgussing....



Another 40 years may be, we'll get there....

I'm not sure the word 'compromise' exists in many Cypriot minds these days... the thread should end here, it's almost a parody of its original intent now...

[MicAtCyp]

hi micatcyp,

I have a very real question and would like an honest answer please;
Do you have a gun and bullits at home? (that is if you live in cyprus)
How do you feel about that?
Do you think it is necessary?

Hi Brother,
Yes, we do have military guns at home and 100 not 200 (?) bullets ( I am not sure anyway how many they are in that box)
I feel 2 things
a)Safe that in case the Turks attack us suddenly, I can protect my family and myself.
b)I feel worried because in some cases burglers broke into houses and stole guns. And in case such a thing happens I will be in big trouble with the Police and the Military authorities.And to your 3rd question:
Yes I think it is necessary and I will explain why.

Brother I will not pretend that I don't want the gun in my house like Jimmy said. I guarantee you the majority of the GCs feel exactly like me. I am scared the hell Brother of the Turkish army who proved beyond doubt they are ready to attack us SUDDENLY and ANYTIME. Look at what happened at Dherynia (there where Solomu and Isaac were shot in cold blood). Not only the Turkish army shot, but they had the tanks ready behind the hills fully equipped and ready to advance....And that was just 3 (?) years ago...

Now a few more facts.
a)We are oblidged to have the gun unassembled and the various parts of it hidden at various places in the house.First reason if a burgler brakes in, he will not be able to get a complete gun. Second reason is obvious.
b)All the guns are numbered and each and everyone has undergone a ballistic test in our presense using 3 bullets.ANY bullet leaving ANY gun can be examined under the microscope by the computers and the one who fired it be located within 24 hours.The ballistic test is like the "fingerprints" of the gun itself.
c)The bullets are very tightly sealed inside a box and we are not allowed to open it.We have to present our box very frequently for checking.
d)There are severe punishments at the Military court for just opening the box with the bullets.Certainly using the gun against someone will end you up in prison.And most certainly if you open the box out of curiosity and you lose a bullet!! I personally have them in a place not even the children can reach-it is dangerous you know.
e)The orders are very specific.The gun is to get assembled and used only in case of war.
f)The damn thing is complicated to assemble. And it happened to me that I once forgot where I put one part and was searching for a whole weekend everywhere in the house to find it...

Another thing nobody mentioned so far is what will happen in case of solution.My friends please do read the Anan Plan. The disarmament procedure is very specific about the reservists. Which reservists do you think it is talking about, the TC reservists who do not have their personal guns at home, or the GC ones?
I think Turkcyp said after a solution we should destroy the guns.He,he, he no my friend we will not destroy them. We will sell them! In fact in calculating the "costs of the solution" we even figured out how much money we are going to get from the sale of all the arms of our Army -I think it was about 3 billion! See Vasiliou study for the economics of the solution.
And one last thing:All the armies of the world have the guns of their reservists kept in military warehouses.The same happens with the Turkish Army in the North the same was valid for us 15 years ago.As soon as there is war they will open the warehouse and give guns to their reservists.
The only difference with that is that the GC reservists have them at home, because they run the risk of a sudden attack.


PS.1) All murders between civilians so far were done using hunting guns (not military guns).
2)The mafia import their own guns to kill each other, but sometimes they use some military guns they stole from houses.

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This post is already too long, but since I saw a terrible agitation among our Tc friends let me try to address that issue too.
The period a GC male grownup is reservist is limited.So not everybody is a reservist and not everybody has a gun.
The personal guns by themselves cannot make a war,and cannot win a war.The war is done by the tanks, the artillery, the aeroplanes and the ships. The personal guns are for protection and clearing up, after the war is won.
Not even one GC considers we are able to start a war.At the same time everyone is terribly afraid the Turkish army can attack us anytime. It is about 15 years now they gave guns to the reservists to keep at home. Before that everybody was feeling that in case of attack we would surrender in 24 hours. After that the feeling is that we can last long enough, and cause terrible damage to the attackers that sort of prevends them from attacking us.
After a solution it will be very very unlikely that any reservist will be allowed to keep his gun.The first step in disarmaming described in the Anan Plan is that of disarming the reservists. The collection of ALL the guns of the reservists is actually a matter of one week.
On a personal basis, my deepest fear is that of the Turkish army attacking us.Even the thought of using my gun for self defense and killing a human being is enough for me to feel that my purpose of existance as a human being failed, and all my life is ruined... I DO NOT want war. I want a solution and full disarmament. Just look at the damn arms.They are all black instruments of the devil, don't you realise that?