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[Saint Jimmy]

Agreed brother

Viewpoint,
some numb-skull big-shot in the ministry of Defence made a decision a few years back, that all GC reserves should keep guns and bullets at home. It's not like there was a referendum and we chose to get them! I don't want to have them at home, but I can't not take them - I'd get punished if I didn't. I'm telling you that they are only intended to be used in case of war - and this intention is not just on paper, it's a communal attitude.
I'm not downplaying this. And yes, I agree that all guns should be thrown away after a solution (even before, if possible).

[Viewpoint]

Saint can you imagine how alarming it is for us TCs, I hate guns but after hearing what you guys are saying and in such a flipant manner I am truly considering buying a gun to protect my family in case of war just like greek cypriots. This has been a real eye opener for me.
You didnt have any incidents in the past but you didnt have TCs roaming south cyprus. I think our community should be warned.

[Saint Jimmy]

Saint can you imagine how alarming it is for us TCs, I hate guns but after hearing what you guys are saying and in such a flipant manner I am truly considering buying a gun to protect my family in case of war just like greek cypriots. This has been a real eye opener for me.
You didnt have any incidents in the past but you didnt have TCs roaming south cyprus. I think our community should be warned.

Now it becomes clearer to me, Viewpoint...
I really think you have never questioned what you (think you) know. Has it ever occurred to you that we (GCs) are not the only ones who have employed propaganda to demonize the other side?
Yes, we have guns at home.
And no, we have no wish to use them against you.
We were never asked whether we want to have them. If you ask Greek Cypriots about it, I highly doubt you will get one single affirmative response.

WE ARE NOT MONSTERS WHO WANT TO SKIN YOU ALIVE.
JUST AS YOU ARE NOT BARBARIANS WHO WANT TO PARTITION THE ISLAND FOR TURKEY'S SAKE.

[Viewpoint]

Saint cant you see that you are just trying to play this serious issue of greek mantality down, you may not need them today because luckily for us we dont live together but the seed has been planted in your homes and brains, "just in case you need them against us" not a big confidence builder, very disappointing indeed.
I have friends at Kibris newspaper I am going to inform them tomorrow.

[Saint Jimmy]

Saint cant you see that you are just trying to play this serious issue of greek mantality down, you may not need them today because luckily for us we dont live together but the seed has been planted in your homes and brains, "just in case you need them against us" not a big confidence builder, very disappointing indeed.
I have friends at Kibris newspaper I am going to inform them tomorrow.

You have got to be kidding me. I know the greek mentality, please don't try to teach me what it is
'Just in case we need them' goes towards turkish aggression (real or imaginary), not against TCs. Or are you saying that the TC community and Turkey are one and the same? I think not.
Greek Cypriot propaganda has done a lot of harm, my friend, but it has also done some good (very little, but still...). Apart from conditioning GCs into believing that Turks are bad and we are good, that the division is not our fault, but Turkey's, and other crap like that, it has also hammered into our brains the defensive nature of our army. No one (NOT ONE) even considers an armed conflict in Cyprus, unless Turkey attacks.
End of story.

P.S.: Do inform your friends. And tell them to inform their friends in the press. I hope it helps turn this into a major issue and we are all forced to turn in our guns.
But ask yourself of what you intend to tell them... I'm pretty sure you intend to only mention the part that says 'GCs have guns in their homes', and leave everything I've told you behind. Am I right?

[Piratis]

Metecyp, in my apartment I have a rifle and 200 bullets. If I want to use them against you, would it matter what the kind of solution it will be? Actually the worst solution for us, the higher the chances such thing will happen, and not the opposite.

It is very interesting how people play stupid when it suits them. What I said is very clear: That a solution that is more favorable to the TCs does not give to them more protection because the ones that are willing to commit crimes will not be stopped by the signatures that some politicians have placed. Is this point so hard for you to understand really?

As for the people that intentionally misunderstood my post to accuse me, it is very interesting to note that they are the same people that approve violence, and consider the results of violence higher than any laws or human rights. The hypocrisy of some people has no limits!!

Be sure viewpoint; if no solution is reached until the end of this year, Turkish side will focus upon partition and achieve it. Time out, Game over!

The Turkish side had a focus on partition for 40 years now. The only reason we are even talking now is that they failed to achieve their ultimate goal. So if Turkey didn't manage to make the "game over" during the last 40 years, what makes you believe that she will manage now, when we can respond with a "game over" for her EU dreams?

[Viewpoint]

Piratis

Metecyp, in my apartment I have a rifle and 200 bullets. If I want to use them against you, would it matter what the kind of solution it will be? Actually the worst solution for us, the higher the chances such thing will happen, and not the opposite.

You are stupid and offensive for having a gun in your home, your comments just backfired and you unintentionally opened another can of GC worms, and revealed your mentality towards us.
Do you think I to should buy a gun just in case?????just in case the signatures to a solution dont hold tight, then you can get a bigger gun and so on that would solve everything.

Piratis 18% to 82% partition becomes more more attractive with every comment made by our GCs neighbours.

Saint Jimmy

But ask yourself of what you intend to tell them... I'm pretty sure you intend to only mention the part that says 'GCs have guns in their homes', and leave everything I've told you behind. Am I right?

This is a very sensative issue for TCs so this type of news is alarming to us however you try to package or disguise it. But ill give them the full story, what they do with it is up to them.

[cannedmoose]

It is very interesting how people play stupid when it suits them. What I said is very clear: That a solution that is more favorable to the TCs does not give to them more protection because the ones that are willing to commit crimes will not be stopped by the signatures that some politicians have placed. Is this point so hard for you to understand really?

As for the people that intentionally misunderstood my post to accuse me, it is very interesting to note that they are the same people that approve violence, and consider the results of violence higher than any laws or human rights. The hypocrisy of some people has no limits!!

Piratis, sometimes you really are a joke man... if you can't understand why that comment provoked such a reaction, you should visit someone qualified to help. I was offended by that comment and I'm not even TC. I know GC reservists who keep their weapons at home but it's never mentioned, they have respect for them and wouldn't dream of using them unless absolutely necessary for their own defence. The attitude you displayed to your arsenal is deplorable and if the authorities find out you have this view, I'd hope they'd remove them from your keeping.

I haven't seen anyone else on here advocating violence, you're the first re. I know it wasn't your clear intention to do so, but you've dropped the ball here and you should realise that the implication of violence is almost as bad as violence itself (this is why the massive Turkish army presence on Cyprus is so distasteful and unnecessary).

I can just imagine your ire if a TC had said the same thing on this forum - you would have accused them of barbarism and claiming that they intend to take the whole island one day. So, reflect on what you said and learn from the reaction you received. Somehow I doubt you will, but there's always hope.

[MicAtCyp]

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Until we reach to that point, we have to have some kind of seperation, some kind of protections and checks & balances so TCs can feel safe and secure and TCs can finally see in reality, not in words, that TCs and GCs can indeed coexist without the fear of domination of one on the other. You want a European solution now, not because you believe that it's realistic, but you believe that a European solution wil mean total effective GC control of the island without checks&balances.

What I call African solution is the forcing of the GCs to accept the results of the Invasion like accepting the settlers, accepting to lose their properties and their sources of primary wealth, accepting a separation that would give the TCs control of something less than the double area they hold now, etc etc. for the sake of what you call checks and balances.What is the balance you see in a Federal State where the TCCS will be 29% whereas the actual native TC people today are not more that 10%?
The only framework I see these checks and balances working is within a Unitary State, where the TCs will share the Political power centrally and not separately, plus so many other things that i explained many times in this forum in the past.

Aside from your sarcastic point piratis, that I feel is totally uncalled for within the boundaries of a discussion

Cannedmoose the point of Piratis is that you consider the results of the 1974 Invasion as a fair POINT from where the TCs will start their compromising.Giving some land back, some properties back etc (which were not theirs on the first place) is not a compromise!

For us ALL the results of the 1974 Invasion is a package that has to be exchanged in TOTAL, and this is the only compromise we will accept.The same way that the events of the 60s are a TOTAL and uncompromising package for the TCs.

[boulio]

Cannedmoose the point of Piratis is that you consider the results of the 1974 Invasion as a fair POINT from where the TCs will start their compromising.Giving some land back, some properties back etc (which were not theirs on the first place) is not a compromise!

For us ALL the results of the 1974 Invasion is a package that has to be exchanged in TOTAL, and this is the only compromise we will accept.The same way that the events of the 60s are a TOTAL and uncompromising package for the TCs.

nice point.