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[turkcyp]

brother i understand the t/c concern about the gun and bullets in g/c houses but do t/c understand the g/c concern with 40,000 crack turkish troops a few hunred meters away and the need to keep these guns and bullets in there homes.

Actually this post of Piratis, (which I am sure he did not mean that he will use them, but were simply trying ti get his point across in a vulgar way as he always done) brings an important question to mind.

TCs do military service too, and after the service is finished they are counted as reserves as well. They go to military 3 days a year after that, usually on one weekend, but this after training is usually a joke.

And no TC is ever given a rifle and bullets to keep at home as a part of reserve duty.

My question is this. IF, and that is a big IF, there is a solution in Cyprus and Turkish Army leaves, how are we going to make sure that these guns are all returned back to RoC army and have been destroyed. I mean it is easy to detect if an army leaves or not, but it is not that easy to collect guns and ammo individually from each home, after the solution.

That is a big concern of mine, actually. I mean at least you guys can see your enemy, it is the Turkish soldier or TC soldier waiting in the post and dressed as a soldier. But how can I see my enemy. For that I am scared that extreme nationalistic portions of GC society may keep these guns and ammo after the solution and may act like bandit or more like terrorists after the solution against TCs.

What is your proposal to collect all the guns and ammo from GCs homes in the event of a solution. Or should we start pilling up guns and ammo in our homes to for self defense.

There is a reason why I so vehemently insist on complete demilitarization of the island.

[boulio]

so you want us to hand over guns that reservist keep at home because this strikes fear into the turkish army and the 35,000 g/c reservists?i think it should be taken up,also why are turkish forces being reenforced in cyprus?and why hasent the deming taken place on the turkish side of the green line?

[brother]

This was the exact thing i was trying to put accross, but maybe i was not so clear about it, but i feel threatened at any event of solution knowing that tens of thousands of GC have rifles and bullits at home, this is a very worrying situation that makes me both anxious and nervous to the point where i may see it necessary to ensure i have my own gun and bullits at home for the protection of my family.

[turkcyp]

so you want us to hand over guns that reservist keep at home because this strikes fear into the turkish army and the 35,000 g/c reservists?i think it should be taken up,also why are turkish forces being reenforced in cyprus?and why hasent the deming taken place on the turkish side of the green line?

In case of solution "Of course I would expect you to return all the guns and ammo you keep at home" If there is a solution and Turkish army leaves what are you going to use the guns and ammo for anyway.

Unless you have some motives for keeping the guns at home I am not aware of, but as I have said in different topics as well. Rejection of complete demilitarization of Cyprus is a deal breaker for me and for many TCs.

I do not trust many GCs already, I would never trust a GC with a gun in his hand. Can I be more blunt than this?

[insan]

so you want us to hand over guns that reservist keep at home because this strikes fear into the turkish army and the 35,000 g/c reservists?i think it should be taken up,also why are turkish forces being reenforced in cyprus?and why hasent the deming taken place on the turkish side of the green line?

35.000 GC reservists only? What about 17.000 National Guard and 4000 Ekdik troops? turkish army being reinforced is a lie. The ones who complete their military service go and the new ones come. They are not prefessional soldiers. On the other hand demining process is continuing. They just finished demining the Zodia area a few weeks ago and the other areas are in process. You think demining is an easy task.

[Saint Jimmy]

My question is this. IF, and that is a big IF, there is a solution in Cyprus and Turkish Army leaves, how are we going to make sure that these guns are all returned back to RoC army and have been destroyed. I mean it is easy to detect if an army leaves or not, but it is not that easy to collect guns and ammo individually from each home, after the solution.

Turkcyp,
I wouldn't worry about that one bit. The National Guard (the RoC army) has records of all guns handed out to anyone, and everyone's gear is regularly monitored to ensure safety. There is no way for someone to get away with keeping his gun after an agreed solution has been reached, unless some big boy in the ministry of defence wants him to keep it. But I suppose there would be some kind of mechanism against that, too, like neutral, foreign inspectors to ensure that all guns have, indeed, been returned.

[brother]

I would most definately say it is a deal breaker for me too if any gc has a gun and bullits at home, this is something i can assure every gc about that we would NEVER accept that.
Either complete demillatarisation or we keep the turkish army to cover our arse's which they have done a good job off since 1974.

[Saint Jimmy]

Yes, I want demilitarization too. But don't get stuck on the gun-and-bullet thing, it's not something you should worry about. It would take a lot for someone to be able to keep his gun after a solution, and I don't think anyone would be willing to put his own ass on the line to cover some lunatic who wants to keep it - the armed paramilitary group era is gone.

[Viewpoint]

Hey guys I am in shock about this debate can you imagine GCs are trying to warrant having these guns and bullets in their homes, like its no big deal, maybe we should go out and get guns and bullets as well just in case. We should have no guns at home Im even against hunting rifles let alone these types of weapons. This conversation just goes to prove why greek cypriots mentality, I am still in shock,they have gone down in my estimation even more, did any TCs know about GCs having guns in their homes issued by the army???? this is very alarming. This issue should be reported in the newspapers.

[brother]

thanks for the reassurance jimmy, but piratis kicked off a lot of paranoa in us tc, we really do want a civilsed and peaceful life in cyprus with no threat, give us these ingrediants and we will be the happiest people on the face of the planet.