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A parable of the bagpipes

Postby CopperLine » Tue Nov 06, 2007 2:45 pm

Picking up from another thread ....

The Turkish for 'bagpipe' is gayda As I understand it this word has origins in the Balkans, especially south and eastern Balkans - Bulgaria/Roumania/Macedonia/Thrace. The Spanish for 'bagpipes' is gaita pronounced 'guy-ta'. Following the expulsion of the Jews from Spain in and before 1492 there was a mass exodus to modern day southern Balkans (interestingly precisely because Ottoman rule offered protection to Jews), such that even well into the twentieth century a form of Spanish language 'Ladino' or sometimes called dzudzemo. So, if you follow a linguistic history of the bagpipe then its roots are in Spain, not Greece or Egypt or Turkey.

Of course the Spanish bagpipe is especially famous in the north and north west which is Celtic in character. As is Scotland and Ireland. So the roots of the bagpipe are not Spanish after all but Irish or Scottish.

But surely the Egyptians didn't get their bagpipes from Scotland. Surely there are dozens of societies around the world in which some enterprising invididual thought to stick a pipe into a sheep's stomach - who wouldn't think of doing that ?

This is all about the myths of origin. Why (when)does it matter who made the bagpipe first ? Why (when) does it matter who was on the island first ?


PS - the bagpipe - a loathsome invention : the bagpipe is not a musical instrument, it is little more than a bodily eruption by proxy. [/img]
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Postby phoenix » Tue Nov 06, 2007 3:18 pm

:shock: I blame Get Real! for this thread . . .

He was the first one to mention bagpipes, yesterday . . . . with regard to making the Turks leave Cyprus. :lol:

But now, it has just got them going :roll:
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Postby skyvet » Tue Nov 06, 2007 3:28 pm

The English word for Bagpipes is either Agony-Bags, or Porridge Guns! :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: A parable of the bagpipes

Postby Eliko » Tue Nov 06, 2007 3:30 pm

[quote="Copperline"] Surely there are dozens of societies around the world in which some enterprising invididual thought to stick a pipe into a sheep's stomach - who wouldn't think of doing that ?[>quote]


I Know!...........TAFFY !. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Postby Nikitas » Wed Nov 07, 2007 12:40 pm

There oughtta be a law! Only Scots bagpipes should be allowed! They are the only ones that sound good. ALL The rest should be made illegal and their handlers punished severely.
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Re: A parable of the bagpipes

Postby GorillaGal » Wed Nov 07, 2007 2:02 pm

CopperLine wrote:Picking up from another thread ....

The Turkish for 'bagpipe' is gayda As I understand it this word has origins in the Balkans, especially south and eastern Balkans - Bulgaria/Roumania/Macedonia/Thrace. The Spanish for 'bagpipes' is gaita pronounced 'guy-ta'. Following the expulsion of the Jews from Spain in and before 1492 there was a mass exodus to modern day southern Balkans (interestingly precisely because Ottoman rule offered protection to Jews), such that even well into the twentieth century a form of Spanish language 'Ladino' or sometimes called dzudzemo. So, if you follow a linguistic history of the bagpipe then its roots are in Spain, not Greece or Egypt or Turkey.

Of course the Spanish bagpipe is especially famous in the north and north west which is Celtic in character. As is Scotland and Ireland. So the roots of the bagpipe are not Spanish after all but Irish or Scottish.

But surely the Egyptians didn't get their bagpipes from Scotland. Surely there are dozens of societies around the world in which some enterprising invididual thought to stick a pipe into a sheep's stomach - who wouldn't think of doing that ?

This is all about the myths of origin. Why (when)does it matter who made the bagpipe first ? Why (when) does it matter who was on the island first ?


PS - the bagpipe - a loathsome invention : the bagpipe is not a musical instrument, it is little more than a bodily eruption by proxy. [/img]


and why onb earth would you know this, CopperLine? you some kind of bagpipe geek-freak or something?

actually, i can think of a rock band or two that uses bag pipes, and it really sounds good!
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Postby Talisker » Thu Nov 08, 2007 12:41 am

Good rock bands using bagpipes include Runrig and Wolfestone. Check this out from the latter........

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=m7fdvugHRa4
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Postby GorillaGal » Thu Nov 08, 2007 1:03 am

Talisker wrote:Good rock bands using bagpipes include Runrig and Wolfestone. Check this out from the latter........

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=m7fdvugHRa4


Now THAT's what i'm talking about!
wow! that rocks!
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Postby Talisker » Thu Nov 08, 2007 1:07 am

GorillaGal wrote:
Talisker wrote:Good rock bands using bagpipes include Runrig and Wolfestone. Check this out from the latter........

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=m7fdvugHRa4


Now THAT's what i'm talking about!
wow! that rocks!


Two of my fave bands, do you know any others using bagpipes?
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Postby GorillaGal » Thu Nov 08, 2007 1:12 am

yeah, am trying to find one, can't remember their name. there is also OFF KILTER, do a search on YouTube for them. n they play at DisneyWorld in Florida, but they really rock, i have all thier CDs.
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