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[Talisker]

yeah, am trying to find one, can't remember their name. there is also OFF KILTER, do a search on YouTube for them. n they play at DisneyWorld in Florida, but they really rock, i have all thier CDs.

Try this one - they have some Scottish connections, so maybe not too surprising.......

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=H1iR2Wi3u5o

[GorillaGal]

i love old AC/DC.... i saw them when angus young was a wee child of 16. they opened for ritchie blackmore's rainbow, and they kisked ritchie's ass.

[Talisker]

yeah, am trying to find one, can't remember their name. there is also OFF KILTER, do a search on YouTube for them. n they play at DisneyWorld in Florida, but they really rock, i have all thier CDs.

OK, I'm going to stop searching now - there's a surprising amount of great bagpipe music on YouTube. I really like this one:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=3n9hbYwZZqk

[phoenix]

yeah, am trying to find one, can't remember their name. there is also OFF KILTER, do a search on YouTube for them. n they play at DisneyWorld in Florida, but they really rock, i have all thier CDs.

OK, I'm going to stop searching now - there's a surprising amount of great bagpipe music on YouTube. I really like this one:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=3n9hbYwZZqk

Great bagpipe music . . . . . . . now that is surprising!

[Talisker]

yeah, am trying to find one, can't remember their name. there is also OFF KILTER, do a search on YouTube for them. n they play at DisneyWorld in Florida, but they really rock, i have all thier CDs.

OK, I'm going to stop searching now - there's a surprising amount of great bagpipe music on YouTube. I really like this one:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=3n9hbYwZZqk

Great bagpipe music . . . . . . . now that is surprising!

Phoenix, open your mind and maybe you'll get a taste for the bagpipes (although on occasion you may have to muffle your ears).

[zan]

Picking up from another thread ....

The Turkish for 'bagpipe' is gayda As I understand it this word has origins in the Balkans, especially south and eastern Balkans - Bulgaria/Roumania/Macedonia/Thrace. The Spanish for 'bagpipes' is gaita pronounced 'guy-ta'. Following the expulsion of the Jews from Spain in and before 1492 there was a mass exodus to modern day southern Balkans (interestingly precisely because Ottoman rule offered protection to Jews), such that even well into the twentieth century a form of Spanish language 'Ladino' or sometimes called dzudzemo. So, if you follow a linguistic history of the bagpipe then its roots are in Spain, not Greece or Egypt or Turkey.

Of course the Spanish bagpipe is especially famous in the north and north west which is Celtic in character. As is Scotland and Ireland. So the roots of the bagpipe are not Spanish after all but Irish or Scottish.

But surely the Egyptians didn't get their bagpipes from Scotland. Surely there are dozens of societies around the world in which some enterprising invididual thought to stick a pipe into a sheep's stomach - who wouldn't think of doing that ?

This is all about the myths of origin. Why (when)does it matter who made the bagpipe first ? Why (when) does it matter who was on the island first ?


PS - the bagpipe - a loathsome invention : the bagpipe is not a musical instrument, it is little more than a bodily eruption by proxy. [/img]

I have no idea if this is true but here goes,,,The Ottomans were the first army to march into war playing music....Banging drums whilst marching is a piece of cake but having to blow the Zurna and march must have been very hard.....So the invention of the bagpipes which after all is the Zurna stuck in an airtight skin that allowed the player to breath more easily when marching.........


You are right though....Who cares.....It has been successfully utilised by the Scots and they have made it their own.....They can have it.....It leaves me feeling breathless just listening to it

[phoenix]

Picking up from another thread ....

The Turkish for 'bagpipe' is gayda As I understand it this word has origins in the Balkans, especially south and eastern Balkans - Bulgaria/Roumania/Macedonia/Thrace. The Spanish for 'bagpipes' is gaita pronounced 'guy-ta'. Following the expulsion of the Jews from Spain in and before 1492 there was a mass exodus to modern day southern Balkans (interestingly precisely because Ottoman rule offered protection to Jews), such that even well into the twentieth century a form of Spanish language 'Ladino' or sometimes called dzudzemo. So, if you follow a linguistic history of the bagpipe then its roots are in Spain, not Greece or Egypt or Turkey.

Of course the Spanish bagpipe is especially famous in the north and north west which is Celtic in character. As is Scotland and Ireland. So the roots of the bagpipe are not Spanish after all but Irish or Scottish.

But surely the Egyptians didn't get their bagpipes from Scotland. Surely there are dozens of societies around the world in which some enterprising invididual thought to stick a pipe into a sheep's stomach - who wouldn't think of doing that ?

This is all about the myths of origin. Why (when)does it matter who made the bagpipe first ? Why (when) does it matter who was on the island first ?


PS - the bagpipe - a loathsome invention : the bagpipe is not a musical instrument, it is little more than a bodily eruption by proxy. [/img]

I have no idea if this is true but here goes,,,The Ottomans were the first army to march into war playing music....Banging drums whilst marching is a piece of cake but having to blow the Zurna and march must have been very hard.....So the invention of the bagpipes which after all is the Zurna stuck in an airtight skin that allowed the player to breath more easily when marching.........


You are right though....Who cares.....It has been successfully utilised by the Scots and they have made it their own.....They can have it.....It leaves me feeling breathless just listening to it

Turks stop trying to change historical facts with your brand of fiction. You have no evidence for your claims. We have actual dated antiquities . .

There is some interesting information on the origin of the bagpipe from the following site, which suggests the Greeks may indeed be to blame:

http://www.hotpipes.com/history.html

This is the relevant paragraph:

A Possible Beginning?

There is no indication at all in the known historical record of when or where the idea of using an inflated leather bag as an air reservoir for a wind instrument originated. The very earliest depiction of an object that might be a bagpipe is a terra cotta figure currently residing in Berlin's “Staatliche Museum.” This much-discussed object is generally considered to be the earliest depiction of any sort of bagpipe. It is Hellenistic, probably (it is said) from Alexandria, and dates, supposedly, to the first century BC.

[zan]

We learned it from the Greeks .......They call everything they see Greek....Have you read the book "The Song Lines".....It is about the Aborigines who sing the world into existence.....Where they Greek too!!!!

[phoenix]

We learned it from the Greeks .......They call everything they see Greek....Have you read the book "The Song Lines".....It is about the Aborigines who sing the world into existence.....Where they Greek too!!!!

I have (partly) read that, song lines running through Australia . . . major bore . . . total fiction . . . nothing to do with Greeks, thank you.

But how did you swing onto this when you were making some ridiculous claim to have invented the bagpipes

Even the Scots for whom it is their National instrument, would be the first to concede to the bagpipes origin's as Hellenic . . . yet the arrogant Turks have to attempt to take that away from the Greeks too.

[zan]

We learned it from the Greeks .......They call everything they see Greek....Have you read the book "The Song Lines".....It is about the Aborigines who sing the world into existence.....Where they Greek too!!!!

I have (partly) read that, song lines running through Australia . . . major bore . . . total fiction . . . nothing to do with Greeks, thank you.

But how did you swing onto this when you were making some ridiculous claim to have invented the bagpipes

Even the Scots for whom it is their National instrument, would be the first to concede to the bagpipes origin's as Hellenic . . . yet the arrogant Turks have to attempt to take that away from the Greeks too.

You managed to convince the world that the people you were killing wee the guilty ones and now want Hellim to be Greek and Turkish taken out of Turkish delights so you can claim that too......How are we to believe anything about you when you invade Troy and all of a sudden it is Greek.....Crete??? Macedonia????? Yogurt for fucks sake is a Turkish word and we have Sainsbury's selling Greek yogurt......It tastes like shit by the way.....