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[Niki]

As for all English words having a Greek origin, someone has been watching a Big Fat Greek Wedding too many times!

Well duh!!!!

[Niki]

As for all English words having a Greek origin, someone has been watching a Big Fat Greek Wedding too many times!

Well duh!!!!

.....and seeing as you knew what I was referring to you've watched it too often also! Great movie!

[devil]

I love the line after introduction to the vegetarian, "That's all right, we'll cook you some nice lamb" or something like that!

[webbo]

:lol:
Devil, I sensed you were a bit irate to be associated with the Sassenach English in terms of origins . . . so here’s another thing the Scots and English have in common . . .

. . You were both discovered and mapped by a Greek!

Pytheas the Greek Discovered Britain

Pytheas (ca. 380 BC-ca. 300 BC), a Greek explorer from the city of Massalia in southern France, traveled all the way around Britain.

Pytheas sailed from Brittany to Land's End in Cornwall, the southwestern tip of Britain. From Cornwall, Pytheas sailed north through the Irish Sea between Britain and Ireland all the way to the northern tip of Scotland, probably going as far as the Orkney Islands. Pytheas finally turned south and completed his circumnavigation of Britain.

Along the way, he stopped and traveled for short distances inland and described the customs of the inhabitants. The inhabitants lived on wild berries and "millet" and made mead.

He was certainly the first to circumnavigate Britain, and first to write on British ethnography. Pytheas also correctly described Britain as triangular, accurately estimated its circumference at 4,000 miles (6,400 km) within 2.5% of modern estimates.

He recorded the local name of the islands in Greek as Prettanike, which Diodorus later rendered Pretannia. This supports theories that the coastal inhabitants of Cornwall may have called themselves Pretani or Priteni, 'Painted' or 'Tattooed' people, a term Romans Latinised as Picti (Picts). He is quoted as referring to the British Isles as the "Isles of the Pretani."

(Source: abridged from BookRags.)

There you have it . . .

You owe your discovery to the Greeks!

Now could they lay claim to sovereignty . . . .

Interesting, but tell me this, who 'discovered' the Greeks then? Surely not the Turks?

Think you will also find that it is only the Greeks who claim the English language as a derivative of their own, though in fact is is an eclectic mix of several languages including Old English,Greek, Roman Gaelic, Dutch etc.

Bubbles x

[devil]

Devil, I sensed you were a bit irate to be associated with the Sassenach English in terms of origins

You may be interested to know that 'Sassenach' originally had nothing to do with the English. In the mid-6th c. there was a partial invasion of what you will know as Saxons up the Firth of Forth, occupying the Lothians and parts of Stirlingshire. These people called themselves Sachsen and Scottish Gaels called them Sachsenach. In time, after the Norman occupation of the Lowlands, the term was applied to all Lowlanders (roughly below the line from Stonehaven to the Firth of Clyde). It is only comparatively recently, probably after the Union of 1603, that the term started to be applied also to the English (there were probably choicer words available before then!). There have been several spellings of the word through the ages.

As I come from Edinburgh and the Borders, well into the Lowlands, I am therefore a Sassenach, but NOT English.

[phoenix]

Devil, I sensed you were a bit irate to be associated with the Sassenach English in terms of origins

You may be interested to know that 'Sassenach' originally had nothing to do with the English. In the mid-6th c. there was a partial invasion of what you will know as Saxons up the Firth of Forth, occupying the Lothians and parts of Stirlingshire. These people called themselves Sachsen and Scottish Gaels called them Sachsenach. In time, after the Norman occupation of the Lowlands, the term was applied to all Lowlanders (roughly below the line from Stonehaven to the Firth of Clyde). It is only comparatively recently, probably after the Union of 1603, that the term started to be applied also to the English (there were probably choicer words available before then!). There have been several spellings of the word through the ages.

As I come from Edinburgh and the Borders, well into the Lowlands, I am therefore a Sassenach, but NOT English.

Devil thank you for that comprehensive history . . . I'll alert hubby to it.

He won't like being called a Sassenach just because his family are Edinburghers . . . Edinburions . . . . Edinbeeks . . . Edinburghions ?

What do you call someone from Edinburgh?

[phoenix]

:lol:
Devil, I sensed you were a bit irate to be associated with the Sassenach English in terms of origins . . . so here’s another thing the Scots and English have in common . . .

. . You were both discovered and mapped by a Greek!

Pytheas the Greek Discovered Britain

Pytheas (ca. 380 BC-ca. 300 BC), a Greek explorer from the city of Massalia in southern France, traveled all the way around Britain.

Pytheas sailed from Brittany to Land's End in Cornwall, the southwestern tip of Britain. From Cornwall, Pytheas sailed north through the Irish Sea between Britain and Ireland all the way to the northern tip of Scotland, probably going as far as the Orkney Islands. Pytheas finally turned south and completed his circumnavigation of Britain.

Along the way, he stopped and traveled for short distances inland and described the customs of the inhabitants. The inhabitants lived on wild berries and "millet" and made mead.

He was certainly the first to circumnavigate Britain, and first to write on British ethnography. Pytheas also correctly described Britain as triangular, accurately estimated its circumference at 4,000 miles (6,400 km) within 2.5% of modern estimates.

He recorded the local name of the islands in Greek as Prettanike, which Diodorus later rendered Pretannia. This supports theories that the coastal inhabitants of Cornwall may have called themselves Pretani or Priteni, 'Painted' or 'Tattooed' people, a term Romans Latinised as Picti (Picts). He is quoted as referring to the British Isles as the "Isles of the Pretani."

(Source: abridged from BookRags.)

There you have it . . .

You owe your discovery to the Greeks!

Now could they lay claim to sovereignty . . . .

Interesting, but tell me this, who 'discovered' the Greeks then? Surely not the Turks?

Think you will also find that it is only the Greeks who claim the English language as a derivative of their own, though in fact is is an eclectic mix of several languages including Old English,Greek, Roman Gaelic, Dutch etc.

Bubbles x

Well Bubbles,

The "discovery" of a land is attributed to a particular discoverer, if they are from a more advanced civilisation which can record the "discovery" by some means and preferably map it . . . both of which Pytheas did to Britain.

That established . . . no one discovered the Greeks, because they were one of the most advanced civilisations, for one of the longest times, by the time civilisations explored and recorded and had means to map.

The Turks do not come into the equation or figure in the remotest.
They were a Barbaric herd that roamed from East to West, pillaging and conquering but not adding to the sum of knowledge, merely destroying. This all happened thousands of years AFTER Europe, Egypt, Libya etc. had been well mapped, both by the Greeks and later the Romans.

As for the language . . . where did I mention that English was derived purely from Greek?

I think you are getting me mixed up with Niki and her sarcastic remarks that were picked up by devil and Lena

[Eliko]

He won't like being called a Sassenach just because his family are Edinburghers . . . Edinburions . . . . Edinbeeks . . . Edinburghions ?

What do you call someone from Edinburgh?

How about "JOCK ?"

[devil]

I call them Edinbuggers but I think Edinbourgeois would be the most appropriate as I doubt whether there is a more middle-class city in the world!

[denizaksulu]

:lol:
Devil, I sensed you were a bit irate to be associated with the Sassenach English in terms of origins . . . so here’s another thing the Scots and English have in common . . .

. . You were both discovered and mapped by a Greek!

Pytheas the Greek Discovered Britain

Pytheas (ca. 380 BC-ca. 300 BC), a Greek explorer from the city of Massalia in southern France, traveled all the way around Britain.

Pytheas sailed from Brittany to Land's End in Cornwall, the southwestern tip of Britain. From Cornwall, Pytheas sailed north through the Irish Sea between Britain and Ireland all the way to the northern tip of Scotland, probably going as far as the Orkney Islands. Pytheas finally turned south and completed his circumnavigation of Britain.

Along the way, he stopped and traveled for short distances inland and described the customs of the inhabitants. The inhabitants lived on wild berries and "millet" and made mead.

He was certainly the first to circumnavigate Britain, and first to write on British ethnography. Pytheas also correctly described Britain as triangular, accurately estimated its circumference at 4,000 miles (6,400 km) within 2.5% of modern estimates.

He recorded the local name of the islands in Greek as Prettanike, which Diodorus later rendered Pretannia. This supports theories that the coastal inhabitants of Cornwall may have called themselves Pretani or Priteni, 'Painted' or 'Tattooed' people, a term Romans Latinised as Picti (Picts). He is quoted as referring to the British Isles as the "Isles of the Pretani."

(Source: abridged from BookRags.)

There you have it . . .

You owe your discovery to the Greeks!

Now could they lay claim to sovereignty . . . .

Interesting, but tell me this, who 'discovered' the Greeks then? Surely not the Turks?

Think you will also find that it is only the Greeks who claim the English language as a derivative of their own, though in fact is is an eclectic mix of several languages including Old English,Greek, Roman Gaelic, Dutch etc.

Bubbles x

Well Bubbles,

The "discovery" of a land is attributed to a particular discoverer, if they are from a more advanced civilisation which can record the "discovery" by some means and preferably map it . . . both of which Pytheas did to Britain.

That established . . . no one discovered the Greeks, because they were one of the most advanced civilisations, for one of the longest times, by the time civilisations explored and recorded and had means to map.

The Turks do not come into the equation or figure in the remotest.
They were a Barbaric herd that roamed from East to West, pillaging and conquering but not adding to the sum of knowledge, merely destroying. This all happened thousands of years AFTER Europe, Egypt, Libya etc. had been well mapped, both by the Greeks and later the Romans.

As for the language . . . where did I mention that English was derived purely from Greek?

I think you are getting me mixed up with Niki and her sarcastic remarks that were picked up by devil and Lena

The Turks did rediscover the Greeks. They were getting too Romanized. Then Byron had to come and remind them that they were the same Greeks of the classical times. Pity about Byron, his poetry is great though. Zito Vryonis!!