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Postby boomerang » Sun Nov 11, 2007 7:54 am

DT. wrote:Stephis Stephanou died on the 1st November in the General Hospital in the north of nicosia. he was aged 64. He was the Consul General of Ireland till 2003, a former town councillor for Famagusta, Director of Francoudi & Stephanou and founding member of DEKO.

He was arrested 10 days earlier without charge for possessing photographs of antiquities on his mobile phone (I have these pictures).

He was held in the Central Turkish Cypriot police station for 3 days where he was beaten severely, without being able to contact lawyer or family. This was told to me personally by himself the last time I saw him alive in prison and by his TC lawyer.

His captivity in prison was spent sleeping on a matress in the corridor on the floor apparently due to overcrowding.

The last to see him alive was myself on the Sunday prior to his death. He was helped to the visiting booth by 2 fellow GC inmates. When asked what was wrong with him he informed me that his entire left side was severly bruised and could neither walk nor breath in comfort. I informed him of the efforts we were making to get him out.

We had informed Christofias who in turn called Talat and requested him to release him on his own personal gaurantee that he will return for the trial. We informed Papadopoulos who assigned Mr Tjionis to the case who could not do anything either. We informed the police and the UN but again notheing could be done. Apparently the case was too serious!

Stephis was informed that despite the fact that no charges were pressed against him, he would have to stay in prison for up to 3 months until a trial was set (with NO charge). His lawyers were trying to plead with the authorities to allow him to stay in an apartment in the north under guard so as not to escape to the south prior to his trial but again....to no avail.

Stephis told me to do everything possible and not to let anyone at home know that he was in pain. He asked me to take care of his grandchildren, (my boy and girl) and said to let them know that their grandfather was a brave man and had stood up to the animals that beat him. I told him to stop being an idiot and that we'd straighten this whole thing out.

On Monday it was a national holiday in the north and were told that we could visit again. When we made a request however it was denied on the grounds of some rule that only prisoners who were charged with an offence could accept visitors (if my memory serves me correct)

On Tuesday mornign we were told that Stephis was suffering from pneumonia and had gone into septic shock due to septicemea. This in turn led to a heart attack. They allowed us to visit him on Wednesday when he was in a coma we made arrangements for him to be carried by ambulance to the south were specialists could see him but all were denied by the Turkish Cypriot ministry of interior....on Thursday he was dead.

They would not allow us to have his body until Saturday.

2 Autopsies were carried out one in the north and one in the south. The one in the north was carried out by a Turkish doctor who was flown in, 2 UN doctors and a GC doctor. The report found
1) No trace of cancer (as the TC papers printed out)
2) No trace of pneumonia
3) No trace of septic shock and septicemea
4) 5 broken ribs on his left lower abdomen and 6 on his right
5) Cause of death heart attack

When the Turkish doctor was asked how he explains the ribs his response was
" I suspect they were brokern while trying to rescucitate him."
The report continues to say that the breakage of lwoer ribs could not have been caused by resuscitation attempts. The report then continues to find that NO rescucitation attempts were made on Stephis. No bruising around the heart, no injections into the heart...nothing.

The second autopsy in the south found the same things although i do not have a copy of that report yet.

We buried my father in law on Tuesday.


DT I really feel your pain my friend...I too am enraged to say the least...Coming from the leaders of a community that their motto is unification...

FFS the hate they harbour is too deep, to treat a 64 year old in such a horrible way...

I wonder how the newspapers in the North had to say about this...There seemed to be no mention from Halil as to what Bayarak's views are...I wonder way?

Anyway please next time you do publish anything do not refer to talat as the president coz it's a fucking joke...
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Postby humanist » Sun Nov 11, 2007 9:38 am

DT I am so sorry to hear of your loss. My sincere condolences mate..

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Postby Jerry » Sun Nov 11, 2007 10:04 am

Sincere condolences DT, I've only just heard about this. There are mean miserable bastards on both sides who are capable of treating human beings in this way; they are a minority but unfortunately there are enough of them to keep engines of hate turning - hence 33 years of division.
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Postby kafenes » Sun Nov 11, 2007 11:19 am

Jerry wrote:Sincere condolences DT, I've only just heard about this. There are mean miserable bastards on both sides who are capable of treating human beings in this way; they are a minority but unfortunately there are enough of them to keep engines of hate turning - hence 33 years of division.


Jerry. this would have never happened in the south.
My deepest condolences DT. It's terrible to know that he suffered so much pain. This should be a lesson for GCs not to go to the north.
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Postby iceman » Sun Nov 11, 2007 11:40 am

kafenes wrote:
Jerry wrote:Sincere condolences DT, I've only just heard about this. There are mean miserable bastards on both sides who are capable of treating human beings in this way; they are a minority but unfortunately there are enough of them to keep engines of hate turning - hence 33 years of division.


Jerry. this would have never happened in the south.
My deepest condolences DT. It's terrible to know that he suffered so much pain. This should be a lesson for GCs not to go to the north.


Kafenes
You should rephrase your comment as "This should be a lesson for GC's not to get involved in anything illegal in the North"..
There are hundreds of GC's coming to the north every day...This is not something happening on a daily basis..

I strongly condemn this incident which ended Mr.Stephanou's life in a cruel way and i wish who ever is responsible for this crime gets punished...(DT can confirm this)
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Postby kafenes » Sun Nov 11, 2007 12:05 pm

iceman wrote:
kafenes wrote:
Jerry wrote:Sincere condolences DT, I've only just heard about this. There are mean miserable bastards on both sides who are capable of treating human beings in this way; they are a minority but unfortunately there are enough of them to keep engines of hate turning - hence 33 years of division.


Jerry. this would have never happened in the south.
My deepest condolences DT. It's terrible to know that he suffered so much pain. This should be a lesson for GCs not to go to the north.


Kafenes
You should rephrase your comment as "This should be a lesson for GC's not to get involved in anything illegal in the North"..
There are hundreds of GC's coming to the north every day...This is not something happening on a daily basis..

I strongly condemn this incident which ended Mr.Stephanou's life in a cruel way and i wish who ever is responsible for this crime gets punished...(DT can confirm this)


Iceman, from what DT wrote, the man was not charged with anything yet. And even if he was involved with anything illegal, he didn't deserve this kind of treatment. I don't doubt that Stefos resisted being apprehended and gave them a mouthful which the authorities did not like and decided to treat him in this way, and I doubt the person resposible will ever get punished.
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Postby iceman » Sun Nov 11, 2007 12:40 pm

kafenes wrote:
iceman wrote:
kafenes wrote:
Jerry wrote:Sincere condolences DT, I've only just heard about this. There are mean miserable bastards on both sides who are capable of treating human beings in this way; they are a minority but unfortunately there are enough of them to keep engines of hate turning - hence 33 years of division.


Jerry. this would have never happened in the south.
My deepest condolences DT. It's terrible to know that he suffered so much pain. This should be a lesson for GCs not to go to the north.


Kafenes
You should rephrase your comment as "This should be a lesson for GC's not to get involved in anything illegal in the North"..
There are hundreds of GC's coming to the north every day...This is not something happening on a daily basis..

I strongly condemn this incident which ended Mr.Stephanou's life in a cruel way and i wish who ever is responsible for this crime gets punished...(DT can confirm this)


Iceman, from what DT wrote, the man was not charged with anything yet. And even if he was involved with anything illegal, he didn't deserve this kind of treatment. I don't doubt that Stefos resisted being apprehended and gave them a mouthful which the authorities did not like and decided to treat him in this way, and I doubt the person resposible will ever get punished.


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I do not want to go into the legal details of the incident but you should know that there was also three TC's involved and arrested in the same operation..
Normally the court would allow the suspects to be out on bail until the court date,but being a GC,there was the possibility of Mr.Stephanou crossing back to south and not coming to court on the appointed date so the judge decided he should be kept in custody until court date...
So far,everything was done according to the book and i am sure the procedure will be same in ROC under the same conditions...

What was wrong was,due to Mr.Stephanous poor medical situation he should have been kept in the hospital under control,not the prison,because its a known fact the conditions are very bad in prison.
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Postby kafenes » Sun Nov 11, 2007 12:47 pm

iceman wrote:
kafenes wrote:
iceman wrote:
kafenes wrote:
Jerry wrote:Sincere condolences DT, I've only just heard about this. There are mean miserable bastards on both sides who are capable of treating human beings in this way; they are a minority but unfortunately there are enough of them to keep engines of hate turning - hence 33 years of division.


Jerry. this would have never happened in the south.
My deepest condolences DT. It's terrible to know that he suffered so much pain. This should be a lesson for GCs not to go to the north.


Kafenes
You should rephrase your comment as "This should be a lesson for GC's not to get involved in anything illegal in the North"..
There are hundreds of GC's coming to the north every day...This is not something happening on a daily basis..

I strongly condemn this incident which ended Mr.Stephanou's life in a cruel way and i wish who ever is responsible for this crime gets punished...(DT can confirm this)


Iceman, from what DT wrote, the man was not charged with anything yet. And even if he was involved with anything illegal, he didn't deserve this kind of treatment. I don't doubt that Stefos resisted being apprehended and gave them a mouthful which the authorities did not like and decided to treat him in this way, and I doubt the person resposible will ever get punished.


Kefane
I do not want to go into the legal details of the incident but you should know that there was also three TC's involved and arrested in the same operation..
Normally the court would allow the suspects to be out on bail until the court date,but being a GC,there was the possibility of Mr.Stephanou crossing back to south and not coming to court on the appointed date so the judge decided he should be kept in custody until court date...
So far,everything was done according to the book and i am sure the procedure will be same in ROC under the same conditions...

What was wrong was,due to Mr.Stephanous poor medical situation he should have been kept in the hospital under control,not the prison,because its a known fact the conditions are very bad in prison.


What if a GC was involved in a bad car accident where someone was killed. Being a GC, he would have to sit in jail untill all was resolved?
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Postby iceman » Sun Nov 11, 2007 1:04 pm

kafenes wrote:
iceman wrote:
kafenes wrote:
iceman wrote:
kafenes wrote:
Jerry wrote:Sincere condolences DT, I've only just heard about this. There are mean miserable bastards on both sides who are capable of treating human beings in this way; they are a minority but unfortunately there are enough of them to keep engines of hate turning - hence 33 years of division.


Jerry. this would have never happened in the south.
My deepest condolences DT. It's terrible to know that he suffered so much pain. This should be a lesson for GCs not to go to the north.


Kafenes
You should rephrase your comment as "This should be a lesson for GC's not to get involved in anything illegal in the North"..
There are hundreds of GC's coming to the north every day...This is not something happening on a daily basis..

I strongly condemn this incident which ended Mr.Stephanou's life in a cruel way and i wish who ever is responsible for this crime gets punished...(DT can confirm this)


Iceman, from what DT wrote, the man was not charged with anything yet. And even if he was involved with anything illegal, he didn't deserve this kind of treatment. I don't doubt that Stefos resisted being apprehended and gave them a mouthful which the authorities did not like and decided to treat him in this way, and I doubt the person resposible will ever get punished.


Kefane
I do not want to go into the legal details of the incident but you should know that there was also three TC's involved and arrested in the same operation..
Normally the court would allow the suspects to be out on bail until the court date,but being a GC,there was the possibility of Mr.Stephanou crossing back to south and not coming to court on the appointed date so the judge decided he should be kept in custody until court date...
So far,everything was done according to the book and i am sure the procedure will be same in ROC under the same conditions...

What was wrong was,due to Mr.Stephanous poor medical situation he should have been kept in the hospital under control,not the prison,because its a known fact the conditions are very bad in prison.


What if a GC was involved in a bad car accident where someone was killed. Being a GC, he would have to sit in jail untill all was resolved?


kefanes
Unfortunately yes..I neither approve or like the situation but as you know,the political mess we are in,is a barrier in such situations....neither of the sides accept to cooperate when it comes to dealing with legal matters..
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Postby kafenes » Sun Nov 11, 2007 2:00 pm

iceman wrote:
kafenes wrote:
iceman wrote:
kafenes wrote:
iceman wrote:
kafenes wrote:
Jerry wrote:Sincere condolences DT, I've only just heard about this. There are mean miserable bastards on both sides who are capable of treating human beings in this way; they are a minority but unfortunately there are enough of them to keep engines of hate turning - hence 33 years of division.


Jerry. this would have never happened in the south.
My deepest condolences DT. It's terrible to know that he suffered so much pain. This should be a lesson for GCs not to go to the north.


Kafenes
You should rephrase your comment as "This should be a lesson for GC's not to get involved in anything illegal in the North"..
There are hundreds of GC's coming to the north every day...This is not something happening on a daily basis..

I strongly condemn this incident which ended Mr.Stephanou's life in a cruel way and i wish who ever is responsible for this crime gets punished...(DT can confirm this)


Iceman, from what DT wrote, the man was not charged with anything yet. And even if he was involved with anything illegal, he didn't deserve this kind of treatment. I don't doubt that Stefos resisted being apprehended and gave them a mouthful which the authorities did not like and decided to treat him in this way, and I doubt the person resposible will ever get punished.


Kefane
I do not want to go into the legal details of the incident but you should know that there was also three TC's involved and arrested in the same operation..
Normally the court would allow the suspects to be out on bail until the court date,but being a GC,there was the possibility of Mr.Stephanou crossing back to south and not coming to court on the appointed date so the judge decided he should be kept in custody until court date...
So far,everything was done according to the book and i am sure the procedure will be same in ROC under the same conditions...

What was wrong was,due to Mr.Stephanous poor medical situation he should have been kept in the hospital under control,not the prison,because its a known fact the conditions are very bad in prison.


What if a GC was involved in a bad car accident where someone was killed. Being a GC, he would have to sit in jail untill all was resolved?


kefanes
Unfortunately yes..I neither approve or like the situation but as you know,the political mess we are in,is a barrier in such situations....neither of the sides accept to cooperate when it comes to dealing with legal matters..


Now, you see my point for not going to the north. I might be completely innocent and yet I would have to put up with the atrotious conditions and risk my health, for what??

Iceman, I do realise you are against the system and I appritate that but that doesn't change my point of veiw. Thanks anyway for your replies.
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