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[Agios Amvrosios]

Reading the posts on this forum, I have come to understand the concerns of our TC brothers.

I now understand what they mean by "Political Equality" more or less.

I would however like an explanation of why many TC's claim that "political equality" gives rise to an automatic right of an Apartheid based Land Grab.

To me, there is a quantum leap in logic between "political equality" and a separate state which ethnically excludes other Cypriots.

Would TCs consider Affirmative Action Legislation(At the constituitonal level) ,Committees/ tribunals in a unitary state to be "politicial equality"?

[magikthrill]

now that we got you to understand that maybe soon enough viewpoint will understand that its not absurd for refugees to want their land back....

[metecyp]

now that we got you to understand that maybe soon enough viewpoint will understand that its not absurd for refugees to want their land back....

It's not absurd, but natural, that refugees want their land back...but it's also a reality that not all refugees will be able to return to their properties if we talk about bizonal federation. So to reach to a bicommunal bizonal federation, both sides need to compromise (GC give up "all refugees return back" and TCs accept as many refugees to return as possible).

[pantelis]

...but it's also a reality that not all refugees will be able to return to their properties if we talk about bizonal federation.

Mehmet,
And what would happen to those refugees who dare to return, to live in this "bizonal federation"...... ?

Is the story below, a good indication?

http://www.turkishdailynews.com.tr/arti ... ewsid=7751

[magikthrill]

So to reach to a bicommunal bizonal federation, both sides need to compromise (GC give up "all refugees return back" and TCs accept as many refugees to return as possible).

I'm sorry mehmet maybe I didn't understand you but are you implying that TCs accepting as many refugges back as possible is a form of compromise on the TC side?!?!?!

I really hope I got you wrong on that...

[insan]

...but it's also a reality that not all refugees will be able to return to their properties if we talk about bizonal federation.

Mehmet,
And what would happen to those refugees who dare to return, to live in this "bizonal federation"...... ?

Is the story below, a good indication?

http://www.turkishdailynews.com.tr/arti ... ewsid=7751

Perhaps, it is related with this:

That in the official Government Gazette ("Kivernitiki Efimeritha"), on 2 May '01, the following amendment was shown to have been made to the existing law N2790/2000, to wit: instead of "the Hellenic descent of the applicant," as qualification for citizenship, the wording was changed to "in [the applicant's] capacity as a resident," meaning that a Greek is anybody who happens to legally or illegally reside in Greece and that Simitescu-Papandreou-Karamanlis-Mitsotakis and company says is a Greek. (This law now allows the Turks, or their descendents, who left Greece in the great population exchange of 1923 to come back to Greece, become citizens, and claim their "confiscated properties." It is also rumored that this law is part of a promise made by then Foreign Minister "Georgaki" Papandreou to his "boss" at the time, Madeleine Albright.)

Respect for the human rights. Everyone should be allowed to return... One world government. End of the nation states. NEW WORLD ORDER. Why does Turkey resist?


http://www.grecoreport.com/The_Official ... Greece.htm

http://www.culturalsurvival.org/publica ... 0000000000®ion_id=3&subregion_id=118&issue_id=6

http://www.aacl.com/Chameria-Pettifer-1.htm

[magikthrill]

regarding the article posted by pantelis I don't believe the author makes good arguments seeing as he stresses 70 million versus hundreds of thousands. This is like seeing in a nation with 10 million where thousands want to build religious centres its ok for the government to refuse to do so.

of course this is generally a tricky issue. on the one hand there is the argument of religion of freedom where no one sholuld restrict your right to worship (which i defintely agree with)

on the other hand you have two countries, greece and turkey. both are predominantly ("99%") christian and muslim respectively. this is the nature of the two nations. this is what the nations' customs are based on. so you can say, respect it and live with it or get out, which of course soudns very ignorant but at the same time its how things work...

of course (As always - maybe ill change my signature to this) this is my own personal opinion

[brother]

Actually in turkey they are now constucting mosques, church's and synagogues all together and calling it the meeting of religions, so they have advanced a lot, on the other hand i do not agree with the statement above of take it or leave it, i think you should be able to build and worship your religion in every country in the world.