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[Eliko]

miltiades, your ardent support of the Western world values is a credit to you, I wonder if you would care to list them in order that we may make an analysis, it would appear that there are so many at odds with Western values in today's world, perhaps you have the answer to their discontent.

Nobody would agree with animal cruelty (in our society) unless they were unaware of the concept of it, such is the case in other cultures, they are not cruel for cruelty's sake, they just do not understand the fact that such actions ( according to us) are cruel, their mind-set tells them that they are only dealing with animals.

Who will teach them otherwise?, will it be we of the West, currently engaged in the most inhumane actions the world has witnessed for generations?, if we cannot set an example ourselves, how may we educate others to take note and follow our lead?.

My own views on animal cruelty are precisely the same as yours, my views on Western savagery are at odds with yours, there is room for debate on those issues, unfortunately you seem unable to grasp the nettle my friend.

I think we should look carefully at the manner in which we conduct ourselves first, THEN make an attempt to impress our views on others, there is much work to be done at home, we should get on with it and leave the 'Barbarians' alone until such time as we have something to teach them.

[yummymummy150]

S0RRY i watched 2 secs

[oranos64]

i didnt even bother to see this clip ..protesting and emailing said embassies and companies involved in the exploitation of animals is a start whilst also making a consious effort to educate the fashionsta morons is good.
I am surprised to see so many fur retailers from the CIS coming here and selling their products easily ,surely their client base is not just to their fellow country men ...
the fur industry is a disgrace ,...but fur clothing i understand is a common clothing acessorie for nations within the artic circle .

then again here in cyprus ,animals are so badly mistreated it is almost as barbaric, from kittens boxed and thrown into rivers,national guard morons burning dogs ,the hunting brigade shooting their own dogs if they fail to live up to their hunting expectations ...

having a dog in cyprus is like having a new toy ...fun for a few hours and days ,then thrown to the back of their gardens in a cage ,tied to a fence .. food is a mixture of leftovers from local weddings and few essential nutrients fed to the dog ...most dogs in cyprus are not looked after nor cared for ...

my neighbours have a candian snow hound and czech wolf hound ..their excercise is walking 200 metres twice a day for a shit ...thats it ... the average czech wolf hound needs 6kms of hiking per day... if i dont take them for long walks and runs ...the poor things would die from non excercise (like their owners i hope)

i would like to see pet stores /breeders advising owners to be ,regarding the extent of care needed for czech wolf hounds and big dogs ...

my english cyp scum council estate type neighbours across the road ,bought themselves a small hound for there evil 3 children last christmas ...the dog was slapped ,kicked and kept like a toyby by them by march it was limping ...everytime it got excited they slapped it ...all the hood complained about its mistreatment whist the 9 year old.7 and 4 year old ,used it like a toy ..by april the dog was caged taken to the TRNC and lost ...a common solution .

i would gladly have used a rifle ...not on the dog but the family ....

[phoenix]

I see from Lena's link that it is a PETA (People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals) awareness video. This is a great charity to support because it uses a lot of celebrities to bring the message home . . . especially to the younger generation.

We need to educate the young to respect animals in the same way they respect other Humans . . . maybe even more so, because we are their custodians in a lot of ways having ruined many of their natural habitats.

[Nikitas]

There is still that original question- who made this video and were the people in the video paid to do it so it could be videotaped? Why would anyone use such unproductive methods to skin an animal, country people know how to kill and skin pretty well. So why do this?

As for PETA you people must think twice- one of Peta's slogans is that rats have rights and suggests that there should be no rodent control anywhere, and if you find a rat in your house you should take it and release it in the country. Doing this in a civilised country like the UK is a criminal offence and rightly so, rats carry a host of diseases and you cannot take your hygiene problem and dump it on someone else's door.

Peta has also consistently refused to condemn animal rights violence against people. Be careful of them and their propaganda.

[phoenix]

There is still that original question- who made this video and were the people in the video paid to do it so it could be videotaped? Why would anyone use such unproductive methods to skin an animal, country people know how to kill and skin pretty well. So why do this?

As for PETA you people must think twice- one of Peta's slogans is that rats have rights and suggests that there should be no rodent control anywhere, and if you find a rat in your house you should take it and release it in the country. Doing this in a civilised country like the UK is a criminal offence and rightly so, rats carry a host of diseases and you cannot take your hygiene problem and dump it on someone else's door.

Peta has also consistently refused to condemn animal rights violence against people. Be careful of them and their propaganda.

Nikitas I am a (lapsed) member of PETA and I can assure you they do condemn violence against people. . . however property such as labs etc are another matter.

Their main aims are to make people aware of how much cruelty is inflicted on animals . . . even rats caught in traps. They are also good at highlighting unsavoury practices by food and research companies and without them people would go around (blissfully) unaware that they are buying a product that was tested on animals instead of an alternative that was not.

As for the video . . . I cannot comment . . . I watched the first few seconds until it was obvious what it was about.

[Nikitas]

Phoenix

Most people are against cruelty to animals. Even people who exploit animals for a living know that a well treated animal is more productive than a mistreated one.

Peta is another kettle of fish. I used to receive their bimonthly magazine and it was a revelation of uninformed propaganda. Telling people to refrain from visiting places where they have horse drawn carriages! Which is more destructive overall, using cart and horse or fossil fueled powered cars? Which is better for the animals themselves? In 1948 Greece had 650 000 horses, today there are moves to list the horse as an endangered species in Greece, there are less than 5000 horses left, because things are moved by Datsun pickups.

Peta is dangerous and simplistic. As an English professor of pediatric surgery said, he cannot teach doctors to properly operate on children unless they sacrifice a few monkeys per year. If the choice is between saving children and wasting a few monkeys there is no debate, or is there?

Back to the film. Why would a country person who knows how to kill and skin fast and efficiently choose to skin an animal alive? It is unprofitable and it ruins the pelt which he wants to sell and make money. So why do it unless he was paid to do it? Who made the film and where?

[phoenix]

Phoenix

Most people are against cruelty to animals. Even people who exploit animals for a living know that a well treated animal is more productive than a mistreated one.

Peta is another kettle of fish. I used to receive their bimonthly magazine and it was a revelation of uninformed propaganda. Telling people to refrain from visiting places where they have horse drawn carriages! Which is more destructive overall, using cart and horse or fossil fueled powered cars? Which is better for the animals themselves? In 1948 Greece had 650 000 horses, today there are moves to list the horse as an endangered species in Greece, there are less than 5000 horses left, because things are moved by Datsun pickups.

Peta is dangerous and simplistic. As an English professor of pediatric surgery said, he cannot teach doctors to properly operate on children unless they sacrifice a few monkeys per year. If the choice is between saving children and wasting a few monkeys there is no debate, or is there?

Back to the film. Why would a country person who knows how to kill and skin fast and efficiently choose to skin an animal alive? It is unprofitable and it ruins the pelt which he wants to sell and make money. So why do it unless he was paid to do it? Who made the film and where?

Nikitas as I said, I have not watched the video . . . and I refuse to do so, so I can't comment, but I do know animals are skinned alive for their "undamaged" fur.

As for surgeons. . . I would not trust anyone that has practiced on monkeys . . . I thought the usual practice was to use Human cadavers?

With regards to PETA . . . although MOST people are considerate to animals there are an awful lot of practices which are directly or indirectly cruel to animals and that's what they highlight.

The ethics of not using horses . . . well cars are not the only alternative to those. Walking, bikes, and of course we can still try to be innovative with "green" fuels.

[Nikitas]

Childrens cardiosurgery, the man was the professor, the hospital in London, he was interviewd by the BBC and his interview beamed on Greek TV last year. He said that monkeys, baboons if i recall, are vital for his doctor students to master delicate surgery techniques. Cadavers are used in the second year anatomy and pathology classes by medical students not qualified doctors. This man does not play, his life is dedicated to saving children and he did say that if the animal protesters prevail he would be forced to give up his profession. In my book parent who lose their children as a result would be totally justified to find the Peta campaign managers and extract revenge, but that is the Cypriot in me asserting himself.



Green fuels that turn land used to feed people (and animals) into feedlots for cars. Mixing ecology with animal rights is one sure and fast way back to the Middle Ages. Not all things ecological are kind to animals and not all kind things to animals are ecological. Synthetic fur, for instance and non animal fibers in general are petrochemical derived. Petrol, the reason on million Iraqis lost their lives!

[Get Real!]

I only watched about 2-3 seconds of this...