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[BirKibrisli]

I don't understand why people keep talking about "the British leaving Cyprus"...Last time I looked there were two British bases operating as sovereign areas in the South...And the last time I looked the North was under Turkish (read American ) occupation....The British did not leave Cypus. They made sure Turkey and America came in as well...Cypriots have been divided and ruled...the division and foreign rule continues today...If Cypriots do not wise up and unite as one people one nation,foreign occupation and domination of our homeland will continue forever...Time to wake up and start another struggle for "Liberation"...This time for "true" liberation...

BK, watch it, some may think you are encouraging our own 'death warrant'.

....but you are right as long as there is no misunderstanding.

Selamlar

True Liberation involves liberating our minds from the hatred and prejudice we have for our brothers and sisters who we call "the others"...Once that is achieved there will be no death warrants or fears of death warrants...The only way to banish bitterness and hatred is to turn them into compassion and love...The surest way of overcoming animosity is to become one with the "enemy",to merge into a union based on respect ,understanding and love...It is amazing how this simple fact is overlooked most of the time..

Hoscakal,yegenim.

[zan]

I don't understand why people keep talking about "the British leaving Cyprus"...Last time I looked there were two British bases operating as sovereign areas in the South...And the last time I looked the North was under Turkish (read American ) occupation....The British did not leave Cypus. They made sure Turkey and America came in as well...Cypriots have been divided and ruled...the division and foreign rule continues today...If Cypriots do not wise up and unite as one people one nation,foreign occupation and domination of our homeland will continue forever...Time to wake up and start another struggle for "Liberation"...This time for "true" liberation...

Liberate and hand the whole island over to Tpap and his cronies....No thanks.

Liberate and hand the whole island to her people,the Cypriots,to run as a True Democracy where human rights and rule of law reins supreme...Tpap and his cronies will be history withing 10 years...Cypriots will be here forever,albeit without most of the TCs...

For a guy who thrives on hope you sure have got yourself in a rut over us Turks, of what ever denomination, not ever being able to get ourselves out of the shit without the Greek help. Lift the embargoes and make the TRNC/KKTC a better place to live with jobs and travel being easier and watch the people go back...I understand why those in OZ would not want to go but those in the UK have really had enough. Try redirecting your love and good will in their direction and stop condemning everything they do like most TCs abroad........Why do you think the "RoC" is trying so hard to stop the lifting of embargoes...


Three Questions.....

I did not see you mention visiting the TRNC in your posts??????

Do you ever intend sorting out the national service business...£3000 means not having to do a day.

Do you want to get to vote in the TRNC......It can be arranged apparently...Get in touch with me.

[Bananiot]

Birkibrisli, just like activation energies protect us from the second law of thermodynamics, we need to be protected from the savagy of the fanatics. Our people will not wake up one morning and say "let us all live together in harmony". The fanatics among us are many and they still play first fiddle. Thus, it is all very well to visualise, rather gallantly, a heavently Cyprus but this will not happen in the near future, because we behaved terribly in the very near past and we show typical Cypriot stubborness in doing away with the past. In other words, wishful thinking will get us nowhere. We need to establish a metastable state (again I slide towards thermodynamics) but this can only happen if we sincerely understand each other and place the interests of Cyprus above everything else. Can we do this, when all we do in this forum (if this is a mirror of our society) is debate on how much damage we have done to each other?

[denizaksulu]

I don't understand why people keep talking about "the British leaving Cyprus"...Last time I looked there were two British bases operating as sovereign areas in the South...And the last time I looked the North was under Turkish (read American ) occupation....The British did not leave Cypus. They made sure Turkey and America came in as well...Cypriots have been divided and ruled...the division and foreign rule continues today...If Cypriots do not wise up and unite as one people one nation,foreign occupation and domination of our homeland will continue forever...Time to wake up and start another struggle for "Liberation"...This time for "true" liberation...

BK, watch it, some may think you are encouraging our own 'death warrant'.

....but you are right as long as there is no misunderstanding.

Selamlar

True Liberation involves liberating our minds from the hatred and prejudice we have for our brothers and sisters who we call "the others"...Once that is achieved there will be no death warrants or fears of death warrants...The only way to banish bitterness and hatred is to turn them into compassion and love...The surest way of overcoming animosity is to become one with the "enemy",to merge into a union based on respect ,understanding and love...It is amazing how this simple fact is overlooked most of the time..

Hoscakal,yegenim.

Yegen, now you are talking of love and becoming one with one another!!. Is this the right thread?

Selamlar....................uphill struggle but you are right.

[BirKibrisli]

Zan....the first part of your post goes over old ground...So if you don't mind I will just answer your questions:

Three Questions.....

I did not see you mention visiting the TRNC in your posts??????

Do you ever intend sorting out the national service business...£3000 means not having to do a day.

Do you want to get to vote in the TRNC......It can be arranged apparently...Get in touch with me.

That is because I did not visit the trnc...

I intend to sort out the national service business asap...So that I can go and observe the "turkification"process at first hand...And to visit my old Uncles and Aunts before they pass on...

I have no wish to ever vote in the trnc...Like I have no desire to write on water...

[BirKibrisli]

Birkibrisli, just like activation energies protect us from the second law of thermodynamics, we need to be protected from the savagy of the fanatics. Our people will not wake up one morning and say "let us all live together in harmony". The fanatics among us are many and they still play first fiddle. Thus, it is all very well to visualise, rather gallantly, a heavently Cyprus but this will not happen in the near future, because we behaved terribly in the very near past and we show typical Cypriot stubborness in doing away with the past. In other words, wishful thinking will get us nowhere. We need to establish a metastable state (again I slide towards thermodynamics) but this can only happen if we sincerely understand each other and place the interests of Cyprus above everything else. Can we do this, when all we do in this forum (if this is a mirror of our society) is debate on how much damage we have done to each other?

Alas,you are so right,Bananiot...I am not so unrealistic as to think people will wake up overnight full of love and compassion for the other side...But sometimes I like to dream...and hope that if I repeat it enough it might catch on...Do you know this Hodja story: One day Nasreddin was seen busily adding yogurt to a huge lake and stirring the waters furiously..."what are you doing Hodja?" asked the curious bypasssers..
"I am trying to turn this lake into yogurt,"replied Hodja..."Are you crazy?",said the bemused bypassers,"you can turn a whole lake into yogurt!"..."I know that," said Hodja stirring the waters,"but what if a miracle happens and it does turn into yogurt...You will be thanking me then!!!"

[BirKibrisli]

I don't understand why people keep talking about "the British leaving Cyprus"...Last time I looked there were two British bases operating as sovereign areas in the South...And the last time I looked the North was under Turkish (read American ) occupation....The British did not leave Cypus. They made sure Turkey and America came in as well...Cypriots have been divided and ruled...the division and foreign rule continues today...If Cypriots do not wise up and unite as one people one nation,foreign occupation and domination of our homeland will continue forever...Time to wake up and start another struggle for "Liberation"...This time for "true" liberation...

BK, watch it, some may think you are encouraging our own 'death warrant'.

....but you are right as long as there is no misunderstanding.

Selamlar

True Liberation involves liberating our minds from the hatred and prejudice we have for our brothers and sisters who we call "the others"...Once that is achieved there will be no death warrants or fears of death warrants...The only way to banish bitterness and hatred is to turn them into compassion and love...The surest way of overcoming animosity is to become one with the "enemy",to merge into a union based on respect ,understanding and love...It is amazing how this simple fact is overlooked most of the time..

Hoscakal,yegenim.

Yegen, now you are talking of love and becoming one with one another!!. Is this the right thread?

Selamlar....................uphill struggle but you are right.

Every thread is right for compassion,love,and becoming one with the "enemy"!!! Sevgilerimle...

[Bananiot]

At times I also like to dilute reality with a little bit of fantasy, Birkibrisli. Human nature I suppose. Nice Hodja story, I haven't heard of that one before but aren't they all superb?

[zan]

Zan....the first part of your post goes over old ground...So if you don't mind I will just answer your questions:

Three Questions.....

I did not see you mention visiting the TRNC in your posts??????

Do you ever intend sorting out the national service business...£3000 means not having to do a day.

Do you want to get to vote in the TRNC......It can be arranged apparently...Get in touch with me.

That is because I did not visit the trnc...

I intend to sort out the national service business asap...So that I can go and observe the "turkification"process at first hand...And to visit my old Uncles and Aunts before they pass on...

I have no wish to ever vote in the trnc...Like I have no desire to write on water...

Great so as I have said...At what point did you lose faith that a Turk will never be able to make the right decision for the good of it's own people. And on the other point...Why the hell do you want to get the army out of the way...You might as well become a Greek and have done with it. I am sure that those friends of yours in the "RoC" can get you a whole new identity and then you can visit and laugh at us TCs as a GC.


You don't have faith in us and you don't want to join the fight to better ourselves and win our right to self determination or encourage TCs to move back home but are quick to condemn every move we make....You then speak of hope but not for us

[Get Real!]

You don't have faith in us and you don't want to join the fight to better ourselves and win our right to self determination or encourage TCs to move back home but are quick to condemn every move we make....You then speak of hope but not for us

If you REALLY wanted to better yourselves you'd follow those that are successful and not the losers. All that Turkey can ever give you is more of the same crap... haven't you had enough yet?

Self determination has nothing to do with improving oneself and everything to do with acquiring enormous responsibilities and thus the vulnerability to sink even further. Be careful what you wish for a handful of people of a predominantly agricultural nature.