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[Bananiot]

Denizaksulu, you have brought up memories! I remember back in 1958 (i think) when as a very young elementary school pupil I participated in a demonstration, holding a Greek flag I could hardly carry, shouting rhythmically e,e,e,enosis!

Of course the armed struggle was for enosis. The right had a pathological urge for enosis and the communist left was also all for enosis because at first they thought communism was inevitable in Greecer, and later, when the left succumbed to Makarios, enosis became a national inspiration until 1967 when finally and after many defeats, Makarios dropped the desirable and went for the feasible.

Pyrpolyser has given us a great lesson in absurdity. He admires EOKA, he says, because they failed to unite Cyprus with Greece (that was their only aim) but managed to win independence. As if the Brits were to hold onto Cyprus forever! Independence (with much better provisions) was achieved by 99% of British colonies at the time, without spending one bullet.

It is so naive to claim that Britain left Cyprus because of EOKA. In fact Britain has not left at all, because of EOKA. The deal we signed in 1959 mirrors the defeat of EOKA and what it stood for. Of course if we look for heroes in order to perk us up then we can look at those who died, for those that survived are of the likes of Yorgatzis, Sampson and a few other fascist individuals.

I have no problem to say and I have written this before, that enosis was not totally unwarranted for the Greek Cypriots. I think the Greek Cypriots had every right to aspire for enosis. It does not matter if some people were not for enosis. It is the tactics used to bring about enosis that were wrong. Top of the list is the armed struggle. It buried enosis (is this really why you support it Pyrpolyser?) and secondly but extremely important, it did not take into consideration the fears and insecurities (real or imaginary) of our TC compatriots. If our struggle was for independence, the TC's would have been asked to participate in it.

[Pyrpolizer]

Bananiot, the EOKA fighers of 55-59 are Cypriot heroes but you cannot see that and probably never will because you have the mind of a serf...

I was thinking along the same lines about you GR.

I'll have to assume you confused a serf with a surf...

You see I judge things on the end result which can also be deducted if the real parameters of any action are evaluated before action is taken (not just the benefit of hindsight).

A 7 year old serf with a prophetic mind? I'm impressed!

EOKA killed the dream of enosis by starting a struggle that had no possibilities of success. As a result of that action, by what you call heroes, the enosis dream was buried for ever and Turkey became an important player in Cyprus affairs. Those people that pointed out these risks back then were summarily branded as traitor and were shot in the back by your heroes and a certain guy (went by the pseudonym of Defkalion) undertook to explain the executions.

Nobody can deny that the armed struggle of EOKA of 55..59 aimed for the removal of the colonialists from Cyprus, and in conjunction with Makarios’ politics managed to curtail the British to their current level of existence at the two British bases.

That was a huge and heroic accomplishment that only a serf could possibly miss...

It must be almost impossible for a person like Bananiot to bare to live on the same island as people that can only see part of a story and miss entire sections but still profess to be experts on the subject........Just like in that photo of Sampson with the Turkish flag in one hand and a gun in the other and the trusting souls that got shot and imprisoned, you fail to see the EOKA scum holding the flag of independance in one hand and the loaded gun of ENOSIS in the other. Same end result....Death and destruction to inocent Cypriots......What the hell is wrong with you

Since when the Turkish flag was the flag of independence???

Read my post again Pyro and you might just get where you went wrong.....ORRRRRRRRRRR! Ask an adult!

No need Zan, most of your posts are meaningless anyway.

[Pyrpolizer]

Bananiot,

the Eoka struggle was for Liberation and Enosis. There was absolutely no GC who rejected the idea of liberation from the colonists ** and it became apparent that there was no other way to get it than an armed struggle. The fact that the Eoka struggle WAS SUCCESSFUL can be seen by the mere fact that it gave us our freedom within 4 years. Obviously the Enosis part failed.

Do you deny the fact that the Eoka struggle was the one that gave us the Republic? Do you deny the fact that Liberation really worthed it? What other proof do you need other than the fact that from 1960 that we got liberated to 1966 the Standard of living in Cyprus rose by 400%?

** I dare say many TCs were sympathetic to the GCs for the Liberation cause of Eoka. What they rejected was the Enosis part.

In 1955 I witnessed the demonstrations of Greek High school students (Gymnasio) against the British and watched them against the armed British soldiers. I was at the school yard with my friends (present day carpark oppsite the old CYTA building. All we could hear was the chanting of E..E..Enosis and Eoka. For a young Cypriot they meant only one thing and that was they both (Eoka and Enosis) go hand in hand and thus are inseparable. It would be difficult to wipe these memories away from many of us. You have dropped the Enosis idea, but only because its more PC. Underneath all the rhetoric you all love Enosis - even GR
If Tpap said viva la Enosis, you would all jump for it (Tpap supporters that is)

You are right in your observation that that Eoka and Enosis seemed to go hand in hand. Now if you were a GC (like me) and you ever tried to discuss the matter with people who were actually active in the 1955-59 Eoka organisation, believe me you would have no argument to oppose the fact that at least they gave us the Cyprus Republic.

As for the Enosis part I personally feel the same as how Birkibrisli feels about the eventuality of the Tcs getting annexed by Turkey.

[Get Real!]

You have dropped the Enosis idea, but only because its more PC. Underneath all the rhetoric you all love Enosis - even GR
If Tpap said viva la Enosis, you would all jump for it (Tpap supporters that is)

This must be your least intelligent post to date. How little you seemingly know about what some of us really want...

Hi GR. I thought that would get your shackles up. I may not know what some people want but then they they dont know either. What they practice is never what they preach. And that goes to both sides of the house.

... and you talk of my intelligence. You(plural) are so blinded by Tpaps leadership if he says jump..............you will. Just like the referandum.

Have a nice day

TP and I agree on the preservation of the constitution of the RoC for without it the average Cypriot citizen is reduced to nothing, the contiguousness of the island which I need not explain, and the acknowledgement and promotion of Cypriot history, culture, and inheritance to help remove any identity crisis any Cypriot citizen may have.

If these are not admirable reasons to support someone I don’t know what are.

Regards, GR.

[Pyrpolizer]

He admires EOKA, he says, because they failed to unite Cyprus with Greece (that was their only aim) but managed to win independence.

will you ever stop putting words in my mouth? You are TOTALLY WRONG that the aim of Eoka was only Enosis. It was for both Liberation and Enosis. The mere fact that they accepted to deliver their weapons as soon as the treaties were signed proved that they had 2 goals and they most important of the two was liberation.

As if the Brits were to hold onto Cyprus forever! Independence (with much better provisions) was achieved by 99% of British colonies at the time, without spending one bullet.

Should I remind you the famous NEVER of Harting? I imply you that the British would never leave. They never gave any signs nothing at all for the opposite. We were not just a military base for them we were a part of the world which they thought of keeping for ever and use it for their own benefit. Perhaps you don’t know that the whole eastern Nicosia upt the airport was inhabited by British families. What were all those people doing here in Cyprus?

It is so naive to claim that Britain left Cyprus because of EOKA.

You are the naive one who cannot even see the plain simple facts. You consider your hypothetical scenarios more factual than the facts themselves.

In fact Britain has not left at all,..

Another nonsense. Perhaps you cannot see the difference between total running, taxing, juicing, exploiting, owning the whole of Cyprus compared to the bases they finally kept….

[Pyrpolizer]

btw Bananiot how many times should I tell you my nickname is NOT British?Why do you insist in changing the last part from "lizer" to "lyser" to fit well in your British grammar? Have you too, become more British than the British themselves?

[zan]

Bananiot, the EOKA fighers of 55-59 are Cypriot heroes but you cannot see that and probably never will because you have the mind of a serf...

I was thinking along the same lines about you GR.

I'll have to assume you confused a serf with a surf...

You see I judge things on the end result which can also be deducted if the real parameters of any action are evaluated before action is taken (not just the benefit of hindsight).

A 7 year old serf with a prophetic mind? I'm impressed!

EOKA killed the dream of enosis by starting a struggle that had no possibilities of success. As a result of that action, by what you call heroes, the enosis dream was buried for ever and Turkey became an important player in Cyprus affairs. Those people that pointed out these risks back then were summarily branded as traitor and were shot in the back by your heroes and a certain guy (went by the pseudonym of Defkalion) undertook to explain the executions.

Nobody can deny that the armed struggle of EOKA of 55..59 aimed for the removal of the colonialists from Cyprus, and in conjunction with Makarios’ politics managed to curtail the British to their current level of existence at the two British bases.

That was a huge and heroic accomplishment that only a serf could possibly miss...

It must be almost impossible for a person like Bananiot to bare to live on the same island as people that can only see part of a story and miss entire sections but still profess to be experts on the subject........Just like in that photo of Sampson with the Turkish flag in one hand and a gun in the other and the trusting souls that got shot and imprisoned, you fail to see the EOKA scum holding the flag of independance in one hand and the loaded gun of ENOSIS in the other. Same end result....Death and destruction to inocent Cypriots......What the hell is wrong with you

Since when the Turkish flag was the flag of independence???

Read my post again Pyro and you might just get where you went wrong.....ORRRRRRRRRRR! Ask an adult!

No need Zan, most of your posts are meaningless anyway.

I have told you before that they are not meant for you but people with some sort of understanding but still you answer....Why don't you just go back to telling me that you will not talk to me....OH! You just did

[zan]

You have dropped the Enosis idea, but only because its more PC. Underneath all the rhetoric you all love Enosis - even GR
If Tpap said viva la Enosis, you would all jump for it (Tpap supporters that is)

This must be your least intelligent post to date. How little you seemingly know about what some of us really want...

Hi GR. I thought that would get your shackles up. I may not know what some people want but then they they dont know either. What they practice is never what they preach. And that goes to both sides of the house.

... and you talk of my intelligence. You(plural) are so blinded by Tpaps leadership if he says jump..............you will. Just like the referandum.

Have a nice day

TP and I agree on the preservation of the constitution of the RoC for without it the average Cypriot citizen is reduced to nothing, the contiguousness of the island which I need not explain, and the acknowledgement and promotion of Cypriot history, culture, and inheritance to help remove any identity crisis any Cypriot citizen may have.

If these are not admirable reasons to support someone I don’t know what are.

Regards, GR.

And are you also of the mind that if some don't agree you attack and kill and when you are held back from that murder from outside pressure you cook up a plan to force people to leave.....

[Get Real!]

You have dropped the Enosis idea, but only because its more PC. Underneath all the rhetoric you all love Enosis - even GR
If Tpap said viva la Enosis, you would all jump for it (Tpap supporters that is)

This must be your least intelligent post to date. How little you seemingly know about what some of us really want...

Hi GR. I thought that would get your shackles up. I may not know what some people want but then they they dont know either. What they practice is never what they preach. And that goes to both sides of the house.

... and you talk of my intelligence. You(plural) are so blinded by Tpaps leadership if he says jump..............you will. Just like the referandum.

Have a nice day

TP and I agree on the preservation of the constitution of the RoC for without it the average Cypriot citizen is reduced to nothing, the contiguousness of the island which I need not explain, and the acknowledgement and promotion of Cypriot history, culture, and inheritance to help remove any identity crisis any Cypriot citizen may have.

If these are not admirable reasons to support someone I don’t know what are.

Regards, GR.

And are you also of the mind that if some don't agree you attack and kill and when you are held back from that murder from outside pressure you cook up a plan to force people to leave.....

I am of the mind that a modern and democratic constitution, divided into the three branches, Legislative, Executive and Judiciary, exercise their distinct magistracy justly for all citizens under the Republic of Cyprus.

[zan]

You have dropped the Enosis idea, but only because its more PC. Underneath all the rhetoric you all love Enosis - even GR
If Tpap said viva la Enosis, you would all jump for it (Tpap supporters that is)

This must be your least intelligent post to date. How little you seemingly know about what some of us really want...

Hi GR. I thought that would get your shackles up. I may not know what some people want but then they they dont know either. What they practice is never what they preach. And that goes to both sides of the house.

... and you talk of my intelligence. You(plural) are so blinded by Tpaps leadership if he says jump..............you will. Just like the referandum.

Have a nice day

TP and I agree on the preservation of the constitution of the RoC for without it the average Cypriot citizen is reduced to nothing, the contiguousness of the island which I need not explain, and the acknowledgement and promotion of Cypriot history, culture, and inheritance to help remove any identity crisis any Cypriot citizen may have.

If these are not admirable reasons to support someone I don’t know what are.

Regards, GR.

And are you also of the mind that if some don't agree you attack and kill and when you are held back from that murder from outside pressure you cook up a plan to force people to leave.....

I am of the mind that a modern and democratic constitution, divided into the three branches, Legislative, Executive and Judiciary, exercise their distinct magistracy justly for all citizens under the Republic of Cyprus.

Then go back to the 1960 constitution and ask nicely so that we can change it as Cypriots.....We didn't like your first approach....