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[Bananiot]

Okay, no problem.

[Get Real!]

Okay, no problem.

Btw, why don't you click on my website Bananiot? I've set it up especially for you!

[Bananiot]

How much is he paying you GR? Before you deny it I must tell you that the ambient atmosphere points to that direction ...

[Pyrpolizer]

It is absurd to claim that EOKA achieved its aims.1 For a start it could not possibly defeat the British militarily 2 and secondly, by 1959 EOKA had practically seized to exist as a thorn in the side of the Britain. In fact, in 1958 EOKA concentrated in executing Greek Cypriots who were an easy target. During the negotiations in London the Brits warned Makarios that if he did not sign they knew exactly where Grivas was hiding and they would arrest him thereafter 3. Makarios returned to Cyprus after he signed because his hand was twisted to proclaim that "we won". We won nothing! 4 We got a constitution that was the result of the wrong tactics 5 we chose to employ in 1955. Enosis was buried for ever 6 and Turkey became a guarantor power for the independence of Cyprus. 7 This is what EOKA brought to us and things didn;t have to be that bad had the losers of this war of independence not sought to have another go at tricking the stupid Turks and Franks. 8

China, with 1.2 billion, a massive army and a nuclear power had more patience than we had and claimed Honk Kong, without a need for an EOKA. Does this tell us anything?9

1.I said it achieved it's aim for liberation within 4 years. I also said it failed in it's aim for Enosis. I hold respect to thm for only the first part and I am glad they failed in their Enosis
2.Who said the aim was to defeat the British army? You are uttering nonsense again. The purpose was to cause so much damage to make their continuing holding us a colony unbearable
3.Allegations...
4.We won our independence.
5.The constitution was not perfect but it could have been corrected slowly slowly if we were (bot us and the TCs) so stupid.In fact by 1972 everything was agreed between Klerides and Denktash.
6.Enosis was burried alright. So the better. Why are you complaining, are you/were you pro-Enosis?
7.Turkey became a guarantor together with Greece and UK...
8.Here you are contradicting yourself. I am glad you admit what we got in 1960 thank to Eoka struggle was not that bad after all.
9.Totally irrelevant. China needed both Taiwan and hong Kong to be her export offices. today it doesn't need them in that role anymore.

[zan]

Bananiot, the EOKA fighers of 55-59 are Cypriot heroes but you cannot see that and probably never will because you have the mind of a serf...

I was thinking along the same lines about you GR.

I'll have to assume you confused a serf with a surf...

You see I judge things on the end result which can also be deducted if the real parameters of any action are evaluated before action is taken (not just the benefit of hindsight).

A 7 year old serf with a prophetic mind? I'm impressed!

EOKA killed the dream of enosis by starting a struggle that had no possibilities of success. As a result of that action, by what you call heroes, the enosis dream was buried for ever and Turkey became an important player in Cyprus affairs. Those people that pointed out these risks back then were summarily branded as traitor and were shot in the back by your heroes and a certain guy (went by the pseudonym of Defkalion) undertook to explain the executions.

Nobody can deny that the armed struggle of EOKA of 55..59 aimed for the removal of the colonialists from Cyprus, and in conjunction with Makarios’ politics managed to curtail the British to their current level of existence at the two British bases.

That was a huge and heroic accomplishment that only a serf could possibly miss...

It must be almost impossible for a person like Bananiot to bare to live on the same island as people that can only see part of a story and miss entire sections but still profess to be experts on the subject........Just like in that photo of Sampson with the Turkish flag in one hand and a gun in the other and the trusting souls that got shot and imprisoned, you fail to see the EOKA scum holding the flag of independance in one hand and the loaded gun of ENOSIS in the other. Same end result....Death and destruction to inocent Cypriots......What the hell is wrong with you

Since when the Turkish flag was the flag of independence???

Read my post again Pyro and you might just get where you went wrong.....ORRRRRRRRRRR! Ask an adult!

[zan]

A few simple,innocent and perhaps naive questions:

If EOKA people were heros fighting for Enosis,should we say the same thing about the TMT????
Were they heros too for fighting to stop Enosis and achieve Taksim???
Does the end always justify the means????
When does an underground organisation stop becoming liberator and turn terrorist???

The same rules do not apply to EOKA and TMT.

EOKA represented the struggle to restore Sovereignty to Cyprus and were historically entitled to fight for their cause . . . and TMT were by all intents, a foreign organisation set up to prevent EOKA achieving its goals.

EOKA were restorative, TMT were destructive.

How clever of them.....They constructed two seperate states...Yippeeeeeeee!

[BirKibrisli]

The implication in my earlier post was that ends did not always justify the means...I believe that clandestine organisations fighting for "noble" causes cannot escape a certain cruel fate: they inevitably become terrorists (in the widest sense of the word-terrorising civilians and some of their own people too)...This was certainly the case with the TMT.And I suspect with EOKA as well... As Zan implied in his earlier post,once violence comes into play and guns are drawn the nobleness of the cause is totally lost...My belief is that both EOKA and TMT were essentially serving the interests of imperialist capital,knowingly or unknowingly...The end result of their efforts was unescapable...Foreign interests won,Cyprus and her people lost big time...

[denizaksulu]

Bananiot,

the Eoka struggle was for Liberation and Enosis. There was absolutely no GC who rejected the idea of liberation from the colonists ** and it became apparent that there was no other way to get it than an armed struggle. The fact that the Eoka struggle WAS SUCCESSFUL can be seen by the mere fact that it gave us our freedom within 4 years. Obviously the Enosis part failed.

Do you deny the fact that the Eoka struggle was the one that gave us the Republic? Do you deny the fact that Liberation really worthed it? What other proof do you need other than the fact that from 1960 that we got liberated to 1966 the Standard of living in Cyprus rose by 400%?

** I dare say many TCs were sympathetic to the GCs for the Liberation cause of Eoka. What they rejected was the Enosis part.

In 1955 I witnessed the demonstrations of Greek High school students (Gymnasio) against the British and watched them against the armed British soldiers. I was at the school yard with my friends (present day carpark oppsite the old CYTA building. All we could hear was the chanting of E..E..Enosis and Eoka. For a young Cypriot they meant only one thing and that was they both (Eoka and Enosis) go hand in hand and thus are inseparable. It would be difficult to wipe these memories away from many of us. You have dropped the Enosis idea, but only because its more PC. Underneath all the rhetoric you all love Enosis - even GR
If Tpap said viva la Enosis, you would all jump for it (Tpap supporters that is)

[Get Real!]

You have dropped the Enosis idea, but only because its more PC. Underneath all the rhetoric you all love Enosis - even GR
If Tpap said viva la Enosis, you would all jump for it (Tpap supporters that is)

This must be your least intelligent post to date. How little you seemingly know about what some of us really want...

[denizaksulu]

You have dropped the Enosis idea, but only because its more PC. Underneath all the rhetoric you all love Enosis - even GR
If Tpap said viva la Enosis, you would all jump for it (Tpap supporters that is)

This must be your least intelligent post to date. How little you seemingly know about what some of us really want...

Hi GR. I thought that would get your shackles up. I may not know what some people want but then they they dont know either. What they practice is never what they preach. And that goes to both sides of the house.

... and you talk of my intelligence. You(plural) are so blinded by Tpaps leadership if he says jump..............you will. Just like the referandum.

Have a nice day