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[zan]

Bananiot, the EOKA fighers of 55-59 are Cypriot heroes but you cannot see that and probably never will because you have the mind of a serf...

I was thinking along the same lines about you GR.

I'll have to assume you confused a serf with a surf...

You see I judge things on the end result which can also be deducted if the real parameters of any action are evaluated before action is taken (not just the benefit of hindsight).

A 7 year old serf with a prophetic mind? I'm impressed!

EOKA killed the dream of enosis by starting a struggle that had no possibilities of success. As a result of that action, by what you call heroes, the enosis dream was buried for ever and Turkey became an important player in Cyprus affairs. Those people that pointed out these risks back then were summarily branded as traitor and were shot in the back by your heroes and a certain guy (went by the pseudonym of Defkalion) undertook to explain the executions.

Nobody can deny that the armed struggle of EOKA of 55..59 aimed for the removal of the colonialists from Cyprus, and in conjunction with Makarios’ politics managed to curtail the British to their current level of existence at the two British bases.

That was a huge and heroic accomplishment that only a serf could possibly miss...

It must be almost impossible for a person like Bananiot to bare to live on the same island as people that can only see part of a story and miss entire sections but still profess to be experts on the subject........Just like in that photo of Sampson with the Turkish flag in one hand and a gun in the other and the trusting souls that got shot and imprisoned, you fail to see the EOKA scum holding the flag of independance in one hand and the loaded gun of ENOSIS in the other. Same end result....Death and destruction to inocent Cypriots......What the hell is wrong with you

[BirKibrisli]

A few simple,innocent and perhaps naive questions:

If EOKA people were heros fighting for Enosis,should we say the same thing about the TMT????
Were they heros too for fighting to stop Enosis and achieve Taksim???
Does the end always justify the means????
When does an underground organisation stop becoming liberator and turn terrorist???

[zan]

A few simple,innocent and perhaps naive questions:

If EOKA people were heros fighting for Enosis,should we say the same thing about the TMT????
Were they heros too for fighting to stop Enosis and achieve Taksim???
Does the end always justify the means????
When does an underground organisation stop becoming liberator and turn terrorist???

He who lives by the sword Bir!!!!!

[Pyrpolizer]

A few simple,innocent and perhaps naive questions:

If EOKA people were heros fighting for Enosis,should we say the same thing about the TMT????
Were they heros too for fighting to stop Enosis and achieve Taksim???
Does the end always justify the means????
When does an underground organisation stop becoming liberator and turn terrorist???

In 2 occasions a)when it is fighting for something else than it's own liberty.
b)When it targets 3rd parties or innocent civilians.

I believe this answers the rest of your questions dear Birkibrisli.

[Pyrpolizer]

Bananiot, the EOKA fighers of 55-59 are Cypriot heroes but you cannot see that and probably never will because you have the mind of a serf...

I was thinking along the same lines about you GR.

I'll have to assume you confused a serf with a surf...

You see I judge things on the end result which can also be deducted if the real parameters of any action are evaluated before action is taken (not just the benefit of hindsight).

A 7 year old serf with a prophetic mind? I'm impressed!

EOKA killed the dream of enosis by starting a struggle that had no possibilities of success. As a result of that action, by what you call heroes, the enosis dream was buried for ever and Turkey became an important player in Cyprus affairs. Those people that pointed out these risks back then were summarily branded as traitor and were shot in the back by your heroes and a certain guy (went by the pseudonym of Defkalion) undertook to explain the executions.

Nobody can deny that the armed struggle of EOKA of 55..59 aimed for the removal of the colonialists from Cyprus, and in conjunction with Makarios’ politics managed to curtail the British to their current level of existence at the two British bases.

That was a huge and heroic accomplishment that only a serf could possibly miss...

It must be almost impossible for a person like Bananiot to bare to live on the same island as people that can only see part of a story and miss entire sections but still profess to be experts on the subject........Just like in that photo of Sampson with the Turkish flag in one hand and a gun in the other and the trusting souls that got shot and imprisoned, you fail to see the EOKA scum holding the flag of independance in one hand and the loaded gun of ENOSIS in the other. Same end result....Death and destruction to inocent Cypriots......What the hell is wrong with you

Since when the Turkish flag was the flag of independence???

[phoenix]

A few simple,innocent and perhaps naive questions:

If EOKA people were heros fighting for Enosis,should we say the same thing about the TMT????
Were they heros too for fighting to stop Enosis and achieve Taksim???
Does the end always justify the means????
When does an underground organisation stop becoming liberator and turn terrorist???

The same rules do not apply to EOKA and TMT.

EOKA represented the struggle to restore Sovereignty to Cyprus and were historically entitled to fight for their cause . . . and TMT were by all intents, a foreign organisation set up to prevent EOKA achieving its goals.

EOKA were restorative, TMT were destructive.

[Get Real!]

A few simple,innocent and perhaps naive questions:

If EOKA people were heros fighting for Enosis,should we say the same thing about the TMT????
Were they heros too for fighting to stop Enosis and achieve Taksim???
Does the end always justify the means????
When does an underground organisation stop becoming liberator and turn terrorist???

That's where your problems start Bananiot because you like to mix everything up like a salad. You need to DIFFERENTIATE between the struggle against the colonialists and the fashionable ideology that many people foolishly had at the time for ENOSIS with Greece.

One was an ideology for the future and the other a very real PHYSICAL struggle of the present. During 55..59 the Greek Cypriots were utterly preoccupied and overwhelmed with the struggle against the British so any notion that there were any skirmishes or similar actions in the name of ENOSIS taking place is nonsense so there is no justification for anyone to mix things up unless they are too stupid to comprehend the facts.

However, the British tactic of recruiting Turkish Cypriot thugs (TMT) to act as a special "police force" to control Greek Cypriots rioters was not only a dastardly British plan but it also revealed how disloyal and stupid some elements of the Turkish Cypriot community were.

Finally, I will remind you dear Bananiot that on the 7th of June 1958 Turkey hired a Turkish Cypriot thug who placed a bomb at the doorstep of the Turkish press office in Nicosia. Naturally the Turkish Cypriot community blamed the Greek Cypriots for the explosion and then on the 12th June 1958 eight innocent and unarmed Greek Cypriot civilians from the village of Kondemenos were murdered by TMT near the Turkish populated village of Geunyeli.

For your information that was the FIRST incident involving human lives, in other words the TC community drew FIRST BLOOD so contemplate that BEFORE you offer your country on a plate to Turkey because we have “wronged” the Turkish Cypriots!

[Bananiot]

It is absurd to claim that EOKA achieved its aims. For a start it could not possibly defeat the British militarily and secondly, by 1959 EOKA had practically seized to exist as a thorn in the side of the Britain. In fact, in 1958 EOKA concentrated in executing Greek Cypriots who were an easy target. During the negotiations in London the Brits warned Makarios that if he did not sign they knew exactly where Grivas was hiding and they would arrest him thereafter. Makarios returned to Cyprus after he signed because his hand was twisted to proclaim that "we won". We won nothing! We got a constitution that was the result of the wrong tactics we chose to employ in 1955. Enosis was buried for ever and Turkey became a guarantor power for the independence of Cyprus. This is what EOKA brought to us and things didn;t have to be that bad had the losers of this war of independence not sought to have another go at tricking the stupid Turks and Franks.

China, with 1.2 billion, a massive army and a nuclear power had more patience than we had and claimed Honk Kong, without a need for an EOKA. Does this tell us anything?

[Bananiot]

GR, I did not confuse anything. It looks as though you do not read carefully the answers to your posts, probably because you are so preocupied with what you will answer. That is a bad thing to do. I stand by what I wrote but please, if you do need clarification, I would be happy to oblige.

[Get Real!]

Hang on a tick... that's not Bananiot I responded to but Bir!

My apologies for the mixup!