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Postby Bill » Mon Nov 05, 2007 3:09 pm

Piratis wrote:EOKA was the army that fought for the liberation of our island from the colonialists, while you Turks collaborated with the colonialists and fought against Cypriots. We are all EOKA mate, and we will keep fighting for the liberation of our country from the foreigners either you like it or not.


Keep building and selling houses to those foreigners and you will soon be out numbered in your own country .

You have already got a foreigner as a town councilor ~~ won't be long before they are running the show and you will be a minority within your own island if every foreigner that's bought in Cyprus came here to live .
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Postby Bill » Mon Nov 05, 2007 3:12 pm

And before the Turkish Cypriots start smiling

If you remove the occupation army and get rid of the settlers you are already out numbered by the foreigners that have foolishly bought there
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Postby Bananiot » Mon Nov 05, 2007 4:10 pm

GR said

Bananiot, the EOKA fighers of 55-59 are Cypriot heroes but you cannot see that and probably never will because you have the mind of a serf...


I was thinking along the same lines about you GR. You see I judge things on the end result which can also be deducted if the real parameters of any action are evaluated before action is taken (not just the benefit of hindsight). EOKA killed the dream of enosis by starting a struggle that had no possibilities of success. As a result of that action, by what you call heroes, the enosis dream was buried for ever and Turkey became an important player in Cyprus affairs. Those people that pointed out these risks back then were summarily branded as traitor and were shot in the back by your heroes and a certain guy (went by the pseudonym of Defkalion) undertook to explain the executions.

You see, you can be a serf without realising it and ignorance does not buy you the day ...
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Postby EPSILON » Mon Nov 05, 2007 4:51 pm

Get Real! wrote:Bananiot, the EOKA fighers of 55-59 are Cypriot heroes but you cannot see that and probably never will because you have the mind of a serf...


Heroes whos ideas and dreams became just "we are all Cypriots" Thanks to some clever nationalists and some neo-democrats!!!!!!
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Postby EPSILON » Mon Nov 05, 2007 4:59 pm

Bananiot wrote:GR said

Bananiot, the EOKA fighers of 55-59 are Cypriot heroes but you cannot see that and probably never will because you have the mind of a serf...


I was thinking along the same lines about you GR. You see I judge things on the end result which can also be deducted if the real parameters of any action are evaluated before action is taken (not just the benefit of hindsight). EOKA killed the dream of enosis by starting a struggle that had no possibilities of success. As a result of that action, by what you call heroes, the enosis dream was buried for ever and Turkey became an important player in Cyprus affairs. Those people that pointed out these risks back then were summarily branded as traitor and were shot in the back by your heroes and a certain guy (went by the pseudonym of Defkalion) undertook to explain the executions.

You see, you can be a serf without realising it and ignorance does not buy you the day ...


Very easy to critisize a policy or freedom fight after 50 years. You are seating in your room, watching tv and eating your bananas and you are deciding that the fight against British was wrong.

Maybe you are right finally this fight was a wrong decision or at wrong time but you should be there in 1955 to explain this to the Greek population of Cyprus and not now after 50 years. The most of them are not here to hear you, they had other priorities that time, they had not tv.
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Postby Bananiot » Mon Nov 05, 2007 6:13 pm

I know you are unhistorical EPSILON and you do not have to stress the point all the time. Had you read history (not the kind they teach you at schools) you would know that in Greece the political leadership across the spectrum, was against the armed struggle for some important and valid reasons. Makarios was given the thumbs down everytime he asked for Greek support. Even earlier, Eleftherios Venizelos messaged the leaders of the October so called uprising "I would tell the press people to condemn the uprising, not the British because nothing good can come out of the uprising. No sane man can imagine that anything good can come out of these actions and that GB will be forced to implement the aspirations of the Greeks of Cyprus". You see EPSILON, even in those times there were visionary people who could see beyond their nose.

In 1950, the Mayor of Nicosia visited George Papandreou asking for the support of Greece, to internationalise the Cyprus issue by taking it to the UN. "Greece breaths today with two lungs, one English and one American" was the answer of Papandreou. "Do not ask me to suffocate my country". He did not need hindsight either, EPSILON.

Later on, in 1951, Makarios went to Plastiras, Prime Minister at the time. Here is the answer he got: "If you came to my humble hut and asked me to fight for Cyprus I would gladly do it, for I am a soldier. However, you come to the office of the Prime Minister and you ask me to burn Greece without being in a position to help Cyprus". That was another man that needed no hindsight to understand the dangers of a stupid and dangerous policy that we were about to embark on. Are you getting the drift EPSILON?

To its credit, Akel forsaw the dangers of the armed struggle that started in 1955, contrary to the wishes of Greece and warned of them. Enlighted people of the right also understood the dangers. Spiridakis for example was such a person who needed only common sense to understand that the armed struggle was leading Cyprus astray. Of course, many Greek Cypriots who suggested a different type of struggle, were quickly pronounced as traitors and a number of them murdered in cold blood.

Now, I will have my banana and live you ponder, not expecting anything from you EPSILON, other than cretin rantings from a brainless "patriot".
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Postby EPSILON » Mon Nov 05, 2007 6:23 pm

Bananiot wrote:I know you are unhistorical EPSILON and you do not have to stress the point all the time. Had you read history (not the kind they teach you at schools) you would know that in Greece the political leadership across the spectrum, was against the armed struggle for some important and valid reasons. Makarios was given the thumbs down everytime he asked for Greek support. Even earlier, Eleftherios Venizelos messaged the leaders of the October so called uprising "I would tell the press people to condemn the uprising, not the British because nothing good can come out of the uprising. No sane man can imagine that anything good can come out of these actions and that GB will be forced to implement the aspirations of the Greeks of Cyprus". You see EPSILON, even in those times there were visionary people who could see beyond their nose.

In 1950, the Mayor of Nicosia visited George Papandreou asking for the support of Greece, to internationalise the Cyprus issue by taking it to the UN. "Greece breaths today with two lungs, one English and one American" was the answer of Papandreou. Do not ask me to suffocate my country. He did not need hindsight either, EPSILON.

Later on, in 1951, Makarios went to Plastiras, Prime Minister at the time. Here is the answer he got "If you came to my humble hut and asked me to fight for Cyprus I would gladly do it, for I am a soldier. However, you come to the office of the Prime Minister and you ask me to burn Greece without being in a position to help Cyprus". That was another man that needed no hindsight to understand the dangers of a stupid and dangerous policy that we were about to embark on. Are you getting the drift EPSILON?

To its credit, Akel forsaw the dangers of the armed struggle that started in 1955, contrary to the wishes of Greece and warned of them. Enlighted people of the right also understood the dangers. Spiridakis for example was such a person who needed only common sense to understand that the armed struggle was leading Cyprus astray. Of course, many Greek Cypriots who suggested a different type of struggle, were quickly pronounced as traitors and a number of them murdered in cold blood.

Now, I will have my banana and live you ponder, not expecting anything from you EPSILON, other than cretin rantings from a brainless "patriot".


Fair enough. What you stated above is all real facts.
However , just imagine, 500 years you to be under occupation of Ottomans and then British. Suddently the occupator promise you freedom if you sent your sons to fight for its empire against Hitler. (Hitler never invated Cyprus but there are so many Gcs dead during war ii). Wining the war the occupator telling you, fuck off, i was lying on you, you was just stupid believing to me.

My friend, someone said, a team of people can be trators, terrorists,thieves etc etc but a whole country can not be such a thing.And Cyprus 1955-1959 was fighting in its majority against the British.The today's Cyprus problem is based on the real also fact that some peole and countries decided to guide a whole society to a different direction of its dreams.In those included Turks, British, Makarios and Akel.
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Postby Pyrpolizer » Mon Nov 05, 2007 6:32 pm

Bananiot,

the Eoka struggle was for Liberation and Enosis. There was absolutely no GC who rejected the idea of liberation from the colonists ** and it became apparent that there was no other way to get it than an armed struggle. The fact that the Eoka struggle WAS SUCCESSFUL can be seen by the mere fact that it gave us our freedom within 4 years. Obviously the Enosis part failed.

Do you deny the fact that the Eoka struggle was the one that gave us the Republic? Do you deny the fact that Liberation really worthed it? What other proof do you need other than the fact that from 1960 that we got liberated to 1966 the Standard of living in Cyprus rose by 400%?

** I dare say many TCs were sympathetic to the GCs for the Liberation cause of Eoka. What they rejected was the Enosis part.
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Postby EPSILON » Mon Nov 05, 2007 7:00 pm

Pyrpolizer wrote:Bananiot,

the Eoka struggle was for Liberation and Enosis. There was absolutely no GC who rejected the idea of liberation from the colonists ** and it became apparent that there was no other way to get it than an armed struggle. The fact that the Eoka struggle WAS SUCCESSFUL can be seen by the mere fact that it gave us our freedom within 4 years. Obviously the Enosis part failed.

Do you deny the fact that the Eoka struggle was the one that gave us the Republic? Do you deny the fact that Liberation really worthed it? What other proof do you need other than the fact that from 1960 that we got liberated to 1966 the Standard of living in Cyprus rose by 400%?

** I dare say many TCs were sympathetic to the GCs for the Liberation cause of Eoka. What they rejected was the Enosis part.


***and some others, and some others.......
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Postby Get Real! » Mon Nov 05, 2007 7:14 pm

Bananiot wrote:
Bananiot, the EOKA fighers of 55-59 are Cypriot heroes but you cannot see that and probably never will because you have the mind of a serf...

I was thinking along the same lines about you GR.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

I'll have to assume you confused a serf with a surf...

You see I judge things on the end result which can also be deducted if the real parameters of any action are evaluated before action is taken (not just the benefit of hindsight).

:lol: A 7 year old serf with a prophetic mind? I'm impressed!


EOKA killed the dream of enosis by starting a struggle that had no possibilities of success. As a result of that action, by what you call heroes, the enosis dream was buried for ever and Turkey became an important player in Cyprus affairs. Those people that pointed out these risks back then were summarily branded as traitor and were shot in the back by your heroes and a certain guy (went by the pseudonym of Defkalion) undertook to explain the executions.

Nobody can deny that the armed struggle of EOKA of 55..59 aimed for the removal of the colonialists from Cyprus, and in conjunction with Makarios’ politics managed to curtail the British to their current level of existence at the two British bases.

That was a huge and heroic accomplishment that only a serf could possibly miss... :lol:
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