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[Piratis]

If bullshitting was an added event to the olympics Piratis would win gold for Cyprus every time

MR-from-NG, if you can argue against what I said then do so. Apparently you can not argue and that is why you are trying to drop the level. Typical.

Apparently your "President Bananiot" can not argue either.

Cleredes was lying to the Cypriot people when he was promising that he would not accept the Annan plan unless it was significantly improved. It is now proven that he was lying.

On the other hand Papadopoulos did what he promised to do and what we elected him to do. To negotiate the AP and see if it can be improved to the level that can be acceptable by the Cypriot people or reject it otherwise. This is exactly what he did.

So if you want to find somebody to blame about the position of our side, that is not Papadopoulos who did what he had to do, but those before him that were lying to the Cypriot people to steal our vote and promising to some foreigners that Greek Cypriots would just accept whatever it is offered to them, even things against our basic human rights and democracy!!

Had we been consistent from the beginning along the lines of what Cypriots want for their own island, then today we wouldn't have to convince anybody that yes in fact Cypriots do have decency, and yes they in fact want their human rights and democracy in their own island. Unfortunately the "pants down and bend" policies of Vasilliou/Cleredes made some believe that Cypriots had no decency and they didn't care about the kind of "solution", and that is why those people are now surprised to learn that Vassiliou/Cleredes had actually lied not just to us but to them as well.

Usually I prefer not to talk about the failed policies of Cleredes/Vassiliou in the Cyprus problem, since I believe we should be united against our enemy, Turkey, who is occupying 1/3rd of our island, instead of fighting with each other and make our enemies happy about it. Unfortunately it seems that for some Bananiots the enemy is not Turkey, but the great majority of the Cypriot people, and they do everything possible to harm Cyprus and help the enemy. And then they complain that we call them traitors

If they were decent they would have accepted the democratically and direct choice of the Cypriot people regarding the AP. Unfortunately even when it is crystal clear that Cypriots do not want that partition plan that would destroy the whole Cyprus, they still try to impose their minority opinion against our will.

[MR-from-NG]

If bullshitting was an added event to the olympics Piratis would win gold for Cyprus every time

MR-from-NG, if you can argue against what I said then do so. Apparently you can not argue and that is why you are trying to drop the level. Typical.

Apparently your "President Bananiot" can not argue either.

Cleredes was lying to the Cypriot people when he was promising that he would not accept the Annan plan unless it was significantly improved. It is now proven that he was lying.

On the other hand Papadopoulos did what he promised to do and what we elected him to do. To negotiate the AP and see if it can be improved to the level that can be acceptable by the Cypriot people or reject it otherwise. This is exactly what he did.

So if you want to find somebody to blame about the position of our side, that is not Papadopoulos who did what he had to do, but those before him that were lying to the Cypriot people to steal our vote and promising to some foreigners that Greek Cypriots would just accept whatever it is offered to them, even things against our basic human rights and democracy!!

Had we been consistent from the beginning along the lines of what Cypriots want for their own island, then today we wouldn't have to convince anybody that yes in fact Cypriots do have decency, and yes they in fact want their human rights and democracy in their own island. Unfortunately the "pants down and bend" policies of Vasilliou/Cleredes made some believe that Cypriots had no decency and they didn't care about the kind of "solution", and that is why those people are now surprised to learn that Vassiliou/Cleredes had actually lied not just to us but to them as well.

Usually I prefer not to talk about the failed policies of Cleredes/Vassiliou in the Cyprus problem, since I believe we should be united against our enemy, Turkey, who is occupying 1/3rd of our island, instead of fighting with each other and make our enemies happy about it. Unfortunately it seems that for some Bananiots the enemy is not Turkey, but the great majority of the Cypriot people, and they do everything possible to harm Cyprus and help the enemy. And then they complain that we call them traitors

If they were decent they would have accepted the democratically and direct choice of the Cypriot people regarding the AP. Unfortunately even when it is crystal clear that Cypriots do not want that partition plan that would destroy the whole Cyprus, they still try to impose their minority opinion against our will.

Argue? Whats the point? I will argue your president is doing everything he possibly could not to bring an end to the Cyprob you will argue otherwise. I will tell you he is a liar, a cheat, he thinks he is fooling the whole world when in fact he is making a fool of himself.

You will say he is a democratically elected leader and has the GCs support. Robert Mugabe has the support of his people too .

[Viewpoint]

Piratis you are no match for Bananiot, how many GCs really understood or even read any part of the Annan Plan? 30% at best, the rest were exposed to a leader who was in tears telling them that they would lose everything and religious leaders saying you will burn in hell if you voted YES. Even today you have demonized the AP plan to such a degree that you have convinced only yourselves that it was a partition plan. This guilt trip and denial is only to sooth you dented egos that you rejected the only chance put before the people of this island and that will be placed before you yet again if the UN have anything to do with a new round of negotiations. Even the UN ar enot interested as they do not trust the sincerity of the GCs who not only tricked them into thinking that they would commit to a plan brokered by them and backed by 90% of the world which believe me will be rehashed and put before you, there is a saying in Turkish "You will have to lick up what you spat out".

[Get Real!]

Argue? Whats the point? I will argue your president is doing everything he possibly could not to bring an end to the Cyprob you will argue otherwise. I will tell you he is a liar, a cheat, he thinks he is fooling the whole world when in fact he is making a fool of himself.

What is the Cyprob MR-from-NG?

[MR-from-NG]

Argue? Whats the point? I will argue your president is doing everything he possibly could not to bring an end to the Cyprob you will argue otherwise. I will tell you he is a liar, a cheat, he thinks he is fooling the whole world when in fact he is making a fool of himself.

What is the Cyprob MR-from-NG?

If I'm not mistaken you and your president argue that the Cyprob is one of invasion and the removal of the Turkish military will end it However we all know that's far from the truth.

You can interpret the problem any way you want, it would be pointless for me to explain my interpretation of the problem. Many posts from myself and fellow TCs would be indicative of what the problem is and what we believe to be fair solution.

[Get Real!]

Argue? Whats the point? I will argue your president is doing everything he possibly could not to bring an end to the Cyprob you will argue otherwise. I will tell you he is a liar, a cheat, he thinks he is fooling the whole world when in fact he is making a fool of himself.

What is the Cyprob MR-from-NG?

If I'm not mistaken you and your president argue that the Cyprob is one of invasion and the removal of the Turkish military will end it However we all know that's far from the truth.

You can interpret the problem any way you want, it would be pointless for me to explain my interpretation of the problem. Many posts from myself and fellow TCs would be indicative of what the problem is and what we believe to be fair solution.

Well then we agree that the "CyProb" is subject to interpretation.

Can we also agree that what's good for Cyprus as a sovereign country is that her citizens are FIRST & FORMOST Cypriots???

[MR-from-NG]

Argue? Whats the point? I will argue your president is doing everything he possibly could not to bring an end to the Cyprob you will argue otherwise. I will tell you he is a liar, a cheat, he thinks he is fooling the whole world when in fact he is making a fool of himself.

What is the Cyprob MR-from-NG?

If I'm not mistaken you and your president argue that the Cyprob is one of invasion and the removal of the Turkish military will end it However we all know that's far from the truth.

You can interpret the problem any way you want, it would be pointless for me to explain my interpretation of the problem. Many posts from myself and fellow TCs would be indicative of what the problem is and what we believe to be fair solution.

Well then we agree that the "CyProb" is subject to interpretation.

Can we also agree that what's good for Cyprus as a sovereign country is that her citizens are FIRST & FORMOST Cypriots???

It goes without saying. One thing common to both TCs and GCs is our love and passion for the island, so it is most natural for us to consider ourselves as true Cypriots.

[Get Real!]

Argue? Whats the point? I will argue your president is doing everything he possibly could not to bring an end to the Cyprob you will argue otherwise. I will tell you he is a liar, a cheat, he thinks he is fooling the whole world when in fact he is making a fool of himself.

What is the Cyprob MR-from-NG?

If I'm not mistaken you and your president argue that the Cyprob is one of invasion and the removal of the Turkish military will end it However we all know that's far from the truth.

You can interpret the problem any way you want, it would be pointless for me to explain my interpretation of the problem. Many posts from myself and fellow TCs would be indicative of what the problem is and what we believe to be fair solution.

Well then we agree that the "CyProb" is subject to interpretation.

Can we also agree that what's good for Cyprus as a sovereign country is that her citizens are FIRST & FORMOST Cypriots???

It goes without saying. One thing common to both TCs and GCs is our love and passion for the island, so it is most natural for us to consider ourselves as true Cypriots.

Good, then if we are to be FIRST & FORMOST Cypriots then would that not imply that our Greekness or Turkishness takes second place?

[MR-from-NG]

Argue? Whats the point? I will argue your president is doing everything he possibly could not to bring an end to the Cyprob you will argue otherwise. I will tell you he is a liar, a cheat, he thinks he is fooling the whole world when in fact he is making a fool of himself.

What is the Cyprob MR-from-NG?

If I'm not mistaken you and your president argue that the Cyprob is one of invasion and the removal of the Turkish military will end it However we all know that's far from the truth.

You can interpret the problem any way you want, it would be pointless for me to explain my interpretation of the problem. Many posts from myself and fellow TCs would be indicative of what the problem is and what we believe to be fair solution.

Well then we agree that the "CyProb" is subject to interpretation.

Can we also agree that what's good for Cyprus as a sovereign country is that her citizens are FIRST & FORMOST Cypriots???

It goes without saying. One thing common to both TCs and GCs is our love and passion for the island, so it is most natural for us to consider ourselves as true Cypriots.

Good, then if we are to be FIRST & FORMOST Cypriots then would that not imply that our Greekness or Turkishness takes second place?

Though I will forever be indebted to Turkey for saving us it cannot alter the fact that I am first and foremost Cypriot.

This is a personal thing and I cannot comment for the rest of my TC friends.

[Bananiot]

Piratis playing his traitor hand again. I thought he got over it but it seems old habits die hard. Now, let us see who is lying. Papadopoulos won the elections promising that he would solve our problem on the basis of the Annan Plan. The fact that Piratis does not remember this does not change things one bit. He needed to trick AKEL because he needed their votes in order to win. He had no problem lying in order to achieve his lifelong ambition. For a year he played the same tune, of the guardian angel of the Annan Plan, which was at the mercy of Raouf. He did not pause to consider the effect his lies would have on the important international players that were heavily involved with the cyprob. Above all was his personal ambition. He even sent an urgent letter to Koffee Annan in December 2003 asking him to convene talks to negotiate the solution based on the Annan Plan. If we do not solve the issue before Cyprus enters the EU, Cyprus would be euro-partitioned, he wrote in the letter.

Piratis said he did not vote for Papadopoulos because he wanted him to solve the problem with the Annan Plan. I believe him. Many of his followers voted for him because they knew he would kick the Annan Plan and any solution based on BBF, at the first chance. He was playing a double game with the international community and its institutions. When Denktash went, he was left in a nasty situation. He had to show his real face, the one Piratis and his ultra right supporters knew only too well. He negotiated the Annan Plan no. 3 in order to make it better and he failed miserably. It appears like this on the surface of things. However, unbiased people will tell that he did not negotiate at all in order to better Plan no. 3. He wanted to bring to his people a Plan, as poor as possible, so that he could ask for its rejection.

He made huge mistakes in his evaluation of the changes taking place in Turkey and formulated a strategy based on the intransigence of Denktash. He failed miserably to understand that something was moving in Turkey. Erdogan had publicly denounced the Ecevit/Denktash line that the Cyprob was solved in 1974. He accepted that there was a problem there awaiting to be solved. "Communication tricks" he called the new signals sent by Turkey.

When he finally had to face the harsh reality, instead of doing the only honourable thing and resign, he had the audacity to ask the people to shoulder the massive gaffs of his crazy policies. He told us that the international community will understand our vote and that a European solution was just round the corner. When he was warned about his policies and the detrimental effect they would have on Cyprus, he lightly rejected these calls and called those concerned about the future of Cyprus "scaremongers".

Now, we are left with a Taiwan in the north that enjoys all the sympathy of the international community. Now, no one talks about the invasion or indeed the occupation. They only see a people struggling to get over their isolation and an RoC that is doing its level best to suppress this struggle. I think, sooner than later, countries will start recognising the pseudo state and once this avalanche starts it will not be stopped. Under these circumstances the Annan Plan was a blessing in disguise but, we let the train go by, because we had the worst man at the helm at the most crucial time in the recent history of Cyprus.