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[Nikephoros]

I am a racist?

Incompetent Turkish Sunni Muslim Soldier, Martin van Bruinessen, a serious source in the above article states that only after Turkish immigration to Europe did anyone ever discover very reluctantly that they were not infact a Turk, but a Kurd.

terrorism ....... terrorism ....... terrorism, is only the discourse of "official history" (resmi tarih), maintained by sheer Kemalist and Islamic fascism. You bring the problems on yourselves through your attitude and then complain about terrorism ....... terrorism ....... terrorism.

[shahmaran]

Still avoiding my question, what do you call the death of 40,000 Turks, a consequence of what ever we seem to have "brought up onto ourselves" as you say?

ps. I am not a Sunni, and your knowledge of Turkish minorities is as accurate as any other dumb ass argument you have put forward so far.

[Nikephoros]

Remember you yourself without a single proof or argument put forth the allegation that those journalists had to be terrorists or terrorist supporters to be in jail in Turkey.

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.p ... 9&start=60

Interesting site, i presume all these were Kurdish reporters who probably got persecuted for glorifying terrorists or supporting the partition of Turkey, it is not surprising, i have not heard the name of not even 1 of these newspapers.

It took you a long period of me saying "Sunni Muslim Turk" or "99.8 Sunni Muslim Turkey" for you to finally admit that you are not a Sunni muslim, but a minority group. Good luck getting the Turkish government to recognize anything other 99.8% Sunni Muslim Turks.

Since I am not an idiot pinko-leftist Greek or the Greek state, I plan on ceding zero ground to the allegations of fascist Kemalists such as yourself. If you were actually someone of importance making a similar statement in a newspaper in a nation that respect classic neo-liberalism you could be taken to court for libel damages for equating people as terrorist(like you did the jailed journalists) with no proof to back up your defamation. In Kemalist Turkey rife with official history" (resmi tarih), only those who challenge the state ideology on national issues really have to worry. Infact Kemalist Turkish Republic and its ultra-nationalist population often uses libel against minorities without any proof.

[shahmaran]

It took me a long time because you constantly calling me a Sunni Muslim Turk does not actually mean anything to me nor i found it worth replying to, i was busy tackling your other nonsense, first of all i am from the TRNC, secondly i do not consider myself to be a Muslim or part of any other similar backward ignorance, and finally Sunni Muslims are not 98% of the population in Turkey, there are many Jews, Armenians, Pontus and Christian Turks, in fact there are over 20 ethnic minorities there but only 1 of them is partially supporting a terrorist organization that is trying to divide the country, not only in Turkey but also in Iran.

I have looked at the site my friend, i know what i am talking about, its not the first time i see nor hear such events, unless by some random coincidence all those Kurdish journalists have been jailed for tax frauds or car theft i would put my money on them being charged for supporting the PKK cause directly or indirectly, which reminds me after your 10th post you still fail to answer my question about the 40,000 dead Turks yet you insist on blaming ME for being fascist and a Muslim for some odd reason (as if its a crime to be a Muslim), i think i know exactly where you stand and its no where respectable...

Also let me remind you that only half of Turkey voted for the Islamic AKP while the other half is, according to you, "ultra-nationalist Kemalists", once more proving that you have absolutely no clue and your argument is driven by nothing but racist hate rather then rationality and logic, i would dare to say ethics too but i think that would be far from your line of sight.

[Nikephoros]

shahmaran, there are no such things as recognized ethnic minorities that have rights except those minorities given status in the Laussane treaty which Turkey has little to no regard for. The concept of human rights is alien to Turkish civilization. The concept of getting away with whatever you can get away with on the otherhand is germane to Turkish civilization. I thought you were acknowledging you were from a religious minority like the Alevis, but you are just going back to that I am "secular"(which does not mean the same in Turkey as outside) Kemalist bs.

I do not have to prove anything about your stupid questions about deaths in Turkey which you feel are due to the PKK. This is a claim you made yourself with no proof to brush off what that Finnish women involved with international PEN in Finland wrote in her blog about Turkish journalists spending a prison in Bayram, that they were terrorist sympathizers. In Turkey where there is no true concept of freedom of speech or respect for minorities maybe you can easily make such claims and be accepted.

[shahmaran]

shahmaran, there are no such things as recognized ethnic minorities that have rights except those minorities given status in the Laussane treaty which Turkey has little to no regard for. The concept of human rights is alien to Turkish civilization. The concept of getting away with whatever you can get away with on the otherhand is germane to Turkish civilization. I thought you were acknowledging you were from a religious minority like the Alevis, but you are just going back to that I am "secular"(which does not mean the same in Turkey as outside) Kemalist bs.

I do not have to prove anything about your stupid questions about deaths in Turkey which you feel are due to the PKK. This is a claim you made yourself with no proof to brush off what that Finnish women involved with international PEN in Finland wrote in her blog about Turkish journalists spending a prison in Bayram, that they were terrorist sympathizers. In Turkey where there is no true concept of freedom of speech or respect for minorities maybe you can easily make such claims and be accepted.

Nikephoros you are full of shit and i have nothing more to say to you, you even claim that the 40,000 dead Turks needs proof, it actually shows how clueless you really are about the reality of the situation. I hope you will never realize the delusive state you are in so that people like me can sit around and laugh at you dwell in your racist ignorance, with our asses wide open, you have got yourself into a semi intellectual knot and you are beyond hope, fortunately for us you are on the minority, good night...

[Nikephoros]

http://www.tsk.mil.tr/eng/genel_konular/tarihce.htm

... "Devoted soldiers as individuals, the Turks proved themselves to be an army-nation to the whole world. Beginning from the Turkish nations inCentral Asia till today, being a soldier was not considered as a profession, since every Turk was regarded as a naturally born warrior." ...

I cannot make up fascism like the above, I do not have a Turkish mind...

Every Turkish baby, BORN A SOLDIER!

[T_C]

Oh get over it man!

Fucking Hell!

[humanist]

[quote]Most Turks are fascists(Kemalist)

There's probably just as many Cypriots who are fascists mate ..... so what do we now?

[Dîrî]

Still avoiding my question, what do you call the death of 40,000 Turks?

Your astonishing ignorance does not actually surprise a bit, me given the nature of your posts, a racist blaming others for racism, whats new

Let's be honest, shall we...?

70% of those "Turks" were Kurds... Yes, Kurds... And even more were murdered, raped, tortured and imprisoned by Turkey - and then you have all the "disappearings" - which were all Kurds or Turks who uttered any political oppinion other than the official one...

Furthermore - one cannot deny that the chief victim of PKK policies have been the Kurds, not the Turks...

While the Turks were enjoying their coffee in a western-style cafè, the Kurds were being gunned down at demonstrations and rallies - under open air...

I therefore condemn the PKK's policies and their methods... But I am even more disgusted by the Turkish army's handling of the situation and their methods and policies - which were manifested in the Turkish constitution and the Turkish state doctrine that a Kurd is just a mountain Turk etc...