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[Andros]

Get Real!,

Hi Mr, or Mrs?

I agree with the last part of your posting, regarding the so-called TRNC. But, it seems you've missed my point.

What if it's the non-recognition the Turks are after as well? By perhaps using a drammatic call for the recognition of the so-called "TRNC", in return for a smaller call of Northern Cyprus. If you were the Turkish government in Turkey, would you want to see a TRNC of a Northern Cyprus as part of the Turkish Republic?

And, I am neither part of a political representative or a Turk - please trust me on this. Not as much as some people on this forum who think you are a Turkish Cypriot liberal as part of the "Cyprus Unity Party" - the Turkish Cypriot Group who own the Afrika newspaper and are against anything Turkish - and also Greek!

Please drop your acusations Get Real and concentrate on how we can persuade the Turkish Cypriot in this forum to either accept a pure unification of the island with no limits, or a clean break (a realistic one!).

Come on Gumbare (Goomba), give us some of your suggestions as I know you are intelligent enough. Not Policies, but processes, methods and procedures.

Regards,
Andros

P.s - not that you would, but could you tell me more about who you are? Or at least what you do as I know you are on the forum until the early hours of the morning.

[Get Real!]

What if it's the non-recognition the Turks are after as well? By perhaps using a drammatic call for the recognition of the so-called "TRNC", in return for a smaller call of Northern Cyprus. If you were the Turkish government in Turkey, would you want to see a TRNC of a Northern Cyprus as part of the Turkish Republic?

Does that make any difference? Don’t they both equate to the partition of Cyprus but with a different label?

And, I am neither part of a political representative or a Turk - please trust me on this. Not as much as some people on this forum who think you are a Turkish Cypriot liberal as part of the "Cyprus Unity Party" - the Turkish Cypriot Group who own the Afrika newspaper and are against anything Turkish - and also Greek!

How entertaining! Problem is you seemingly don’t know any Greek despite being called “Andros”! Even the lamest of overseas Greek Cypriots know the basic words “Goumbare” and “Goumera” and that there is no such thing as “Goomba” except if you’re an African pygmy perhaps!

Please drop your acusations Get Real and concentrate on how we can persuade the Turkish Cypriot in this forum to either accept a pure unification of the island with no limits, or a clean break (a realistic one!).

The Turkish Cypriots cannot be persuaded by my opinion or yours because they are fools who see fit to hide behind Turkey and make the most absurd of claims for their miniscule 18% minority using good old fashioned blackmail. They are driven by today and care not for tomorrow so it’s doubtful that they will survive the test of time anyway. The president’s stalling for climate change is the ONLY logical strategic move at this point in time.

[Pyrpolizer]

What if it's the non-recognition the Turks are after as well? By perhaps using a drammatic call for the recognition of the so-called "TRNC", in return for a smaller call of Northern Cyprus. If you were the Turkish government in Turkey, would you want to see a TRNC of a Northern Cyprus as part of the Turkish Republic?

Does that make any difference? Don’t they both equate to the partition of Cyprus but with a different label?

And, I am neither part of a political representative or a Turk - please trust me on this. Not as much as some people on this forum who think you are a Turkish Cypriot liberal as part of the "Cyprus Unity Party" - the Turkish Cypriot Group who own the Afrika newspaper and are against anything Turkish - and also Greek!

How entertaining! Problem is you seemingly don’t know any Greek despite being called “Andros”! Even the lamest of overseas Greek Cypriots know the basic words “Goumbare” and “Goumera” and that there is no such thing as “Goomba” except if you’re an African pygmy perhaps!

Please drop your acusations Get Real and concentrate on how we can persuade the Turkish Cypriot in this forum to either accept a pure unification of the island with no limits, or a clean break (a realistic one!).

The Turkish Cypriots cannot be persuaded by my opinion or yours because they are fools who see fit to hide behind Turkey and make the most absurd of claims for their miniscule 18% minority using good old fashioned blackmail. They are driven by today and care not for tomorrow so it’s doubtful that they will survive the test of time anyway. The president’s stalling for climate change is the ONLY logical strategic move at this point in time.

Or goumbara at least....
Add that to the "Andros-Costas" that's enough to skyrocket my suspicions...
No more replies from me to this guy

[Get Real!]

Good morning GR. Just when I was going to give Andros a warm welcome to the forum and his very gentlemanly post, you shattered my dreams. Why is it that anybody with a different opinion than yours is 'scum' or a 'TRNC Promoter'.

Let’s just say that I’m the Firewall of the forum… Adware, Mulware, and Viruses do not get past GR...

[denizaksulu]

Good morning GR. Just when I was going to give Andros a warm welcome to the forum and his very gentlemanly post, you shattered my dreams. Why is it that anybody with a different opinion than yours is 'scum' or a 'TRNC Promoter'.

Let’s just say that I’m the Firewall of the forum… Adware, Mulware, and Viruses do not get past GR...

I must admit , Andros name did sound oddish. But I gave him the benefit of doubt, not being an expert in Greek names or niks. I am sure you will find the truth out soon enough.

[Get Real!]

Good morning GR. Just when I was going to give Andros a warm welcome to the forum and his very gentlemanly post, you shattered my dreams. Why is it that anybody with a different opinion than yours is 'scum' or a 'TRNC Promoter'.

Let’s just say that I’m the Firewall of the forum… Adware, Mulware, and Viruses do not get past GR...

I must admit , Andros name did sound oddish. But I gave him the benefit of doubt, not being an expert in Greek names or niks. I am sure you will find the truth out soon enough.

Actually "Andros" as a GC name is ok but I've never seen it combined with another first name like "Costa". But anyway, that's not what I look for but the poster's agenda and his was very obvious early on.

[denizaksulu]

Good morning GR. Just when I was going to give Andros a warm welcome to the forum and his very gentlemanly post, you shattered my dreams. Why is it that anybody with a different opinion than yours is 'scum' or a 'TRNC Promoter'.

Let’s just say that I’m the Firewall of the forum… Adware, Mulware, and Viruses do not get past GR...

I must admit , Andros name did sound oddish. But I gave him the benefit of doubt, not being an expert in Greek names or niks. I am sure you will find the truth out soon enough.

Actually "Andros" as a GC name is ok but I've never seen it combined with another first name like "Costa". But anyway, that's not what I look for but the poster's agenda and his was very obvious early on.

My previous agenda certainly confused forumers. Some thought I was GC.At least you knew me personally, I think!! I better look in the mirror.

[Andros]

Get Real,

I wasn’t going to answer you, but you clearly seem to have got the wrong end of the stick. I originally said in one of my postings that I am 66 years old, and that English is my second language. Did I not? Please hold at least some respect that I am a Greek Cypriot.

I am not looking for a battle as it would be pointless, but rather an understanding of where you are coming from Get Real. What I'm ultimately saying is, that since 1974, we have seen the upgrade of the occupied area to a federated Turkish entity between 1974-1983, its declaration as a self-styled republic known as the TRNC, its operation, unopposed, and now the threat of another UN plan aiming to dissolve the Republic of Cyprus – once again.

According to my understanding, you are saying that the Cyprus situation, under the EU, will eventually lead to an automatic federal union as the Republic of Cyprus because Turkey will be squeezed. Who are you kidding? Or, do you have information of a military operation to fight Turkey in Cyprus? Please don’t understand me wrong here Get Real, as I am only seeking some kind of realistic resonse from you, if possible. I want to know how you think the occupied area, which appears to be gradually gaining some kind of independence either as an annexed Turkish province or as northern Cyprus (Taiwan style), will be repatriated as part of the Republic of Cyprus? Are you actually saying that over time, a mysterious wizard within the government ranks of the EU, who happily works with Turkey with multi-million dollar oil, energy and market deal, will suddenly decide to shut all Turkish economic and political doors so as northern Cyprus can unite with the Cyprus republic and live happily ever after. Please don't suddenly start blasting this forum with an endless amount of sarcastic comments of "Oh, Andros is not GC" again, as you clearly always appear to avoid answering the important questions when asked. Nevertheless, if you do believe in a mysterious EU wizard, you seriously need to speak to some of our Greek Cypriot politicians in Nicosia as they are beating themselves on the head with the mistakes of the past. Please stop being patronising and offer some suggestions instead. I am Greek Cypriot through and through, I may not be so optimistic in the EU forces of “What-ever” as you seem to be, but I am certainly someone who has witnessed first had a lot of forced, unfair, illogical decisions made against our interests (Cyprus Republic) in the last 40 years.

Tell me this:

Do you not agree that a new UN plan will dissolve the Republic of Cyprus to form a “United” Cyprus republic?

Do you not agree that any introduced UN plan will be based on the “Annan Plan”, thus once again forcing our people to reject it in an attempt to ultimately recognise the so-called TRNC once and for all?

Do you not agree that, if the Cyprus problem is left alone until the nearing of Turkey’s eventual EU full membership in 2019 – or so, northern Cyprus could be known as a separate country by default, instead of the island being united - by DEFAULT?

Do you seriously believe that we can sustain another few years of ignoring the Cyprus issue without something happening to somehow legalise northern Cyprus as a separate entity? How long do you think we can hold off this isolation issue, especially considering Turkey's influence in Northern Iraq, oil and etc?

We have a serious situation in hand Get Real, and unfortunately, as a result of sleepy Greek Cypriot politicians, NGOs, and people of the likes of you, and even myself, northern Cyprus is now being viewed as a separate nation-state as opposed to an area that’s been occupied by Turkey since 1974?

If any person should ask me who I believe the real Greek Cypriots and non-Greek Cypriots in this forum are, I would categorise them as:-

Those who don’t want to force a settlement as soon as possible as being Turkish Cypriot, while those who want the problem solved immediately as being the people of this forum who have the Republic of Cyprus at heart.

If you are basing your entire perception of a Cyprus political process on the CHANCE of the island of Cyprus unifying by default, or by the force of the European Union who can’t even control mass migration, high unemployment, the Macedonian issue, Kosovo or even its own constitution, then I would seriously ask you to re-evaulate your entire understanding of how the hell we came to this mess of having to dissuade other so-called “Friendly” nations not to do business with northern Cyprus as opposed to only needing to refer them to the United Nations or take them to an international court? Also, how would you explain the Orams case situation?

Also, Resolutions 540, and etc are not binding and are only advice, therefore, who the hell are we kidding here! Wake up Get Real, and tell your backbenchers to stop drinking Turkish Coffee! How the hell can northern Cyprus be under an embargo when it's not even a recognised country? And, how can northern Cyprus be under an embargo when we view it as being occupied by Turkey - does that mean Turkey is under an embargo? Then, how do you explain the HSBC bank being located in northern Cyprus under a license from Turkey if Turkey is occupying land of the Cyprus republic?

We are not stupid here Get Real. We are Greek Cypriots who are questioning what the Cyprus government either fails to realise, does not understand, or, do they also know that nothing can be done to prevent Turkey and are not telling us. The Cyprus situation is not a simple process as you make it out to be Get Real.

[phoenix]

Good morning GR. Just when I was going to give Andros a warm welcome to the forum and his very gentlemanly post, you shattered my dreams. Why is it that anybody with a different opinion than yours is 'scum' or a 'TRNC Promoter'.

Let’s just say that I’m the Firewall of the forum… Adware, Mulware, and Viruses do not get past GR...

I must admit , Andros name did sound oddish. But I gave him the benefit of doubt, not being an expert in Greek names or niks. I am sure you will find the truth out soon enough.

Actually "Andros" as a GC name is ok but I've never seen it combined with another first name like "Costa". But anyway, that's not what I look for but the poster's agenda and his was very obvious early on.

Hmm hmm . . . . I think my female intuition was the first radar to pick up the scent of an impostor in our midst!

[Nikitas]

Andros,

Are you convinced that Turkey will enter into an agreement over Cyprus in good faith and put aside its long term aim to control or take over the whole island?

The whole idea for sane Greek Cypriots is to sign an agreement that will end the problem and open a normal future for Cyprus. In the Annan plan there were maps and details of the military situation in the interim period that spoke volumes of Turkey's real intent and it was not a normal future for the island. Others might say this is a cynical approach, maybe it is, but good faith is proven not assumed and so far Turkey has done nothing to show good faith.

So if we are to face an adversary as cynical and powerful as Turkey we need the only plank we have to hold onto, the Republic of Cyprus. Once that is gone we will be totally lost.