Viewpoint wrote:Kikapu wrote:Viewpoint wrote:Kifeas
Why Joe? If this right of intervention would have been given only for the so-called TC state, would you have accepted it? I personally wouldn't accept it either!
Any clearer now?? Why do you find it so difficult to compromise? I can understand you not wanting Turkish intervention in the GC state but surely the TC state has the rigth to protection in timezs of crisis if that should be necessary.
What, you mean right now, where Ankara dictates what goes on in the "TRNC". So if and when Turkey needs to interfere in Cypriot affairs, whether a reason is warranted or not, you are willing to help Turkey by providing them a reason to interfere. In another words, you are not willing to be an "Independent TC state". If that is the case, why even bother to change anything on the ground as they are now, which may be the reasons as why not too much has changed on the ground for the last 33 years, except the "Independent GC state" as you call it, which is also known as the Republic of Cyprus, has moved miles ahead economically than the Occupied "TRNC" because it has chosen to be interfered by Turkey. Unless you are willing to stand on your own two feet and be part of the "Union", (North & South) in a True Federation, you do not have the right or be trusted, to have Turkey interfere anytime and every time you want to change the situation on the ground. It is time for you to grow up and be an
ADULT to handle your own affairs and not your
BIG BROTHER.
The TCs grew up in 1963 and again in 2004 when they were shown what GCs really think about unification. But we all say not lets dwell on the past, try to learn from it on move on to build a better future. You are right TCs will not budge one inch unless they can clearly see that unification will be beneficial to their future. Right now no TCs have under very difficult circumstances progress to a level better than some of the last countries to enter the EU. If you compare the south with Switzerland or other prosperous countries then the south can be viewed just like behind in economic development but never forget the isolation and restrictions we face when trying to improve economically.
Now when we come back to having Turkey interfere in a TC state where we are recognized and in a union with a GC state, do you think TCs allowed the opportunity to stand on their own 2 feet economically will allow Turkey to interfere then you do not know TCs very well, we would only want them to intervene if our lives were at risk or the GC state was trying to undo the agreement as they did back in 1963.(that's the part of learning form the past) so you may adopt a flippant attitude but it doesn't change the reality that GC will never get Turkey out of the equation unless TCs have reason to want them out and to date GCs have been unsuccessful in persuading or showing TCs otherwise.
The (any) "reunification" agreement is not going to be between a so-called GC and a so-called TC state! This is something you should clear out of your mind! The agreement will only be between the GC and TC communities, as they are understood under the 1960 constitution and as they have been negotiating so far! The notion that after a solution, the TC community will strictly and exclusively identify themselves with the "TC" state, and the GC community with the "GC" state, is wrong and as far as the GCs are concerned, totally unacceptable!
The two notions or entities (i.e. Communities vs. States,) should be separated! It is one thing to say that potentially the "TC" state will have a majority of residents originating from the TC community, and the GC one respectively, or that the "TC" state's government apparatus will use Turkish as its working language, etc; and another thing to say that the 30% of Cyprus that will potentially constitute the territory of the so-called TC state, will change title deeds and will become or pass to the ownership of the TC community, alone, as its own "inherited" ethnic land or territory; so that the TC community will be assuming the right to be doing whatever it wishes or pleases in that part of Cyprus!
The states will be mere administrative divisions of one federal country, and their constituent power on the level of their government competencies will be vested on their permanent residents alone, irrespective of which community they originate from! We won’t gift you 30% of our country, and on top of it we will accept you as co-partners on the central (federal) level, on this basis! If you want your own exclusively TC country, you can only do so on the 18 %(-) of Cyprus territory (and the 18% of the coastline; )
but not on the 30% of terittory plus 50% of the coastline of Cyprus, just because you are Turks and thus you beilive that "one of you should worth the whole word," or because you think "you won the war" in 1974 and thus we should be the ones to capitulate to your capricious irredentism!
There is no GC that is willing to make such a compromise to you, and if there are a few, in most GC’s books they are homosexual masochistic perverts of very submissive natures that should immediately be examined by psychiatrists!
