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Postby Daemon » Thu Nov 01, 2007 3:02 pm

The plan also includes provisions that are racist, oxymoron and separatist.
1) It provides that the victims of the Turkish invasion and ethnic cleansing, the Greek Cypriots, would have to pay reparations to themselves (!!!) for losing their properties by paying taxes to the reparations council! This would bring economic disaster to the island since the level of compensations is estimated to 8 billion US dollars.
2) Further with this monstrosity Greek Cypriots are becoming second class citizens in their own country. They constitute the 82% of the population, yet, every 8 Greek-Cypriot votes will be equated with 1 Turkish-Cypriot vote! Cypriots will no longer be European citizens, but slaves!
3) Greek-Cypriots will never be able to return back to the Greek town of Kyrenia, built by Praksandros and Kifeas from Laconia Greece during the Homeric times, thus depriving them not only their properties in that ancient Greek land, but also depriving them their Greek history, their Hellenic identity and their Hellenic National pride. This is preposterous.
4) The solution is an economic disaster for Greek-Cypriots who have been working hard to reach EU economic standards but at the end of the day the Turkish-Cypriots will be the sole benefactors of the accession to the EU.
5) With this plan, Cyprus becomes a protectorate of Turkey, the invader of Cyprus and legalizes all Turkish crimes against Cyprus. Further, no decision will be possible without the prior approval of Ankara. The Cypriots will be slaves to the Turks.
6) All provisions of the plan relating to the rights of the Turkish Cypriots have IMMEDIATE effect, whereas all provision relating to the Rights of the Greek Cypriots have an interlocutory period that spans 20 years from the signing of the agreement.
7) In the event of a deadlock, there is absolutely no provision to prevent the Turkish constituent state to refrain from declaring its independence. If the Greek-Cypriots disagree the Turkish Army would be able to intervene again and repeat the 1974 crimes and Ethnic Cleansing against the Greek-Cypriots.



What unbelievable nationalistic illusions. I’ll start with the first.

1 First of all there were not any intervention rights from the first place and the guarantees
were exactly the same with some minus improvement.

And of course is ridiculous to suggest what:

a) The TC’s had any interest to loose their European benefits for Turkey.
b) The plan could end up in a dead end where the structure of the plan and
the forced federation could not bypassed by anyone.
c) The GC’s would make a coup again, in this one yes if they
were so stupid to make the same mistakes but the chances of that were extremely limited in Europe.
d) In a war that is an extreme fear (fear is the first factor that lead you to vote no) but let’s guess what eventually
Turkey would not become Europe member and what by some dark circumstances they were going to cause
a war that will bring division. In this case the TC’s was going again to be in the way they was (before the Anan plan) and you were going to have more land and more power were you was going to be the victim for another one time.

If this is not the worst kind of fear then what is it?

And now of course you have a situation much more dangerous and your future (TC’s and GC’s) are completely depends from Turkey and the invasion forces after they get the green light for Papadopoulous and after this tremendous idiocy now no one is blaming them. Where the pervert patriot was to stand for his rights where he had the chance to blame the invasion forces for the result of the anan plan and refuse to sign that shit paper?
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Postby Daemon » Thu Nov 01, 2007 3:07 pm

now now Daemon, lets not get into this again. remeber what happened last time with the annan plan.

DOn't make me start quoting pieces to you proving you wrong again.

Last example I gave you was that the northern state leader had to swear

allegiance to Ataturk....you said Donkey/Gay/IDIOT..there is no such thing in the annan plan...


What allegiance men are you having bud sleep?

You know what allegiance means?

And yes the TC’s have the rights to make such reference to values and that can’t harm anyone
and I can swear on that values because only a total idiot think of that as a swear to the person.
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Postby Daemon » Thu Nov 01, 2007 3:16 pm

Tks for your kind words. I wish same to you.

meantime pls note that my copy of Annan plan is coming from Turkish Foreign ministry in order you do not claim its text.

By the way who said Tcs are the invasion forces? They are just their cooperators and their right hand.

By the way I am proud to be Greek like maby you are proud to be Turk.Nothing more.

About the provision of demilitarization: As things are today maby invasion forces need 48hrs to occupy the south because of a small defend from Gcs. By this Annan plan provision they will need only 8hrs - until they come from South Turkey.Of course having officially the right to do so.


Re malaka you don’t had enough when you and your brainless fanatic nationalist kind destroy Cyprus once?

What a hilarious clown you are and let’s suppose what there was such a possibility of a war, now Cypriots have 10-15 000? Soldiers and the Turks have 40-50? And in the Anan plan they ware going to be exactly the same number with the Greeks?
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Postby Daemon » Thu Nov 01, 2007 3:30 pm

2) Further with this monstrosity Greek Cypriots are becoming second class citizens in their own country. They constitute the 82% of the population, yet, every 8 Greek-Cypriot votes will be equated with 1 Turkish-Cypriot vote! Cypriots will no longer be European citizens, but slaves!


What can I say for these extreme bullshit nightmares, can anyone find the provisions that can lead to a so demonized conclusion?

You don’t have any reasonable arguments?

3) Greek-Cypriots will never be able to return back to the Greek town of Kyrenia, built by Praksandros and Kifeas from Laconia Greece during the Homeric times, thus depriving them not only their properties in that ancient Greek land, but also depriving them their Greek history, their Hellenic identity and their Hellenic National pride. This is preposterous.


Greek Cypriots could have the 1/3 of the population with rights to vote and they could be more than the
TC’s if they had the balls, because there was only a legal limitation and they could be there as citizens of another
Municipality (no wonder why Denktash was seeing nightmares with plan) and that thing that could change in some years (Maybe decades) If you had the balls to strangle for your country. Because the citizens of another municipality that they could choose to stay in Kyrenia for ever, they could challenge the limitation provision, you don’t have the power or the balls to go in a war and you also prefer to pretend the patriots and crying like bitches from your convenience rather to fight for your country in a war that you could won.
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Postby EPSILON » Thu Nov 01, 2007 3:35 pm

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Tks for your kind words. I wish same to you.

meantime pls note that my copy of Annan plan is coming from Turkish Foreign ministry in order you do not claim its text.

By the way who said Tcs are the invasion forces? They are just their cooperators and their right hand.

By the way I am proud to be Greek like maby you are proud to be Turk.Nothing more.

About the provision of demilitarization: As things are today maby invasion forces need 48hrs to occupy the south because of a small defend from Gcs. By this Annan plan provision they will need only 8hrs - until they come from South Turkey.Of course having officially the right to do so.


Re malaka you don’t had enough when you and your brainless fanatic nationalist kind destroy Cyprus once?

What a hilarious clown you are and let’s suppose what there was such a possibility of a war, now Cypriots have 10-15 000? Soldiers and the Turks have 40-50? And in the Anan plan they ware going to be exactly the same number with the Greeks?


Conclusion of Daemon: 75 per cent of Gcs are malakes (they voted no) and the 25 per cent are super malakes because they are still defending yes.
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Postby Daemon » Thu Nov 01, 2007 3:49 pm

4) The solution is an economic disaster for Greek-Cypriots who have been working hard to reach EU economic standards but at the end of the day the Turkish-Cypriots will be the sole benefactors of the accession to the EU.


Another one demonized nightmare bullshit and I can say what Cyprus could continue
and expand their economy miracle that in the present situation could fall in a big shit hole and start an economy trip worst than Greece.

Hey you are ready to destroy your main income just to pretend the patriots; you didn’t have the balls to make
an economy risk (if there was any) for your country?

5) With this plan, Cyprus becomes a protectorate of Turkey, the invader of Cyprus and legalizes all Turkish crimes against Cyprus. Further, no decision will be possible without the prior approval of Ankara. The Cypriots will be slaves to the Turks.


Tremendous bullshits and have nothing to do with the geopolitical reality back then but also today were the Americans and the Europeans didn’t like the idea of Turkey have so much power.

The Turkish crimes in Cyprus unfortunately were legalized from what TPap had sign, the Anan plan was just throwing them out and was establishing a federation solution that was the first option from 63.

The invasion just made a de facto situation were the solution must be Bizonal (and you had accepted that a
million times and all of your politicians starting with Makarios and Kyprianou and of course TPap that
he accepted this for once more in the last agreement), and not Multi Zonal like the proposed plans before 74.
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Postby Daemon » Thu Nov 01, 2007 3:54 pm

Conclusion of Daemon: 75 per cent of Gcs are malakes (they voted no)


Yes of course they are malakes of Papadopoulos were he is fooling them with patriotic bullshits
that continue to drive them to their self destruction, were if he was a true patriot he would at least say the truth about the plan and not create all this nightmares and fear against the other opinion and of course a patriot can’t say for the 25%of their people what they are traitors because his disastrous craven freak show had decided
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Postby EPSILON » Thu Nov 01, 2007 4:01 pm

Daemon wrote:
Conclusion of Daemon: 75 per cent of Gcs are malakes (they voted no)


Yes of course they are malakes of Papadopoulos were he is fooling them with patriotic bullshits
that continue to drive them to their self destruction, were if he was a true patriot he would at least say the truth about the plan and not create all this nightmares and fear against the other opinion and of course a patriot can’t say for the 25%of their people what they are traitors because his disastrous craven freak show had decided


To say the true? The true my friend is simple. Gcs are requested to sign a solution agreement (always after 1974) as the loosers of a war.This of course is a fact. But , at least they are trying to save what they can save after a lost war.

Do not plaim Gcs for voting no - there was and there is not a fair solution after a lost war. This is the lie which continue to be presented to Gcs by some of their leaders (speakig about a fai solution-like Annan plan).

Tcs of course, for the time being, do not have similar problems to share because any solution proposal is consider them as the war winners.
The most famous example : 75000 Tcs votes=1000000 Gcs votes. What else a Gc like me can say.?
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Postby Daemon » Thu Nov 01, 2007 4:06 pm

6) All provisions of the plan relating to the rights of the Turkish Cypriots have IMMEDIATE effect, whereas all provision relating to the Rights of the Greek Cypriots have an interlocutory period that spans 20 years from the signing of the agreement.


And what that means?

I do not know this subject but let’s suppose what this is true, how can be otherwise where the TC’s ware in isolation for more than 40 years and when there was 100 000 refuges to return in their properties in the whole and other 100 000 that could massively move to the northern state and request their homes or a home with similar value of the 1/3 of their ex property and where the could use the compensation of the 2/3 to buy any property they wanted?

7) In the event of a deadlock, there is absolutely no provision to prevent the Turkish constituent state to refrain from declaring its independence. If the Greek-Cypriots disagree the Turkish Army would be able to intervene again and repeat the 1974 crimes and Ethnic Cleansing against the Greek-Cypriots.


This is absolutely a tremendous bullshit that can’t be based somewhere and especially in the plan where
It was a specific provision that was forbidding division and a forced structure that were not possible to be a dead end.
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Postby Daemon » Thu Nov 01, 2007 4:18 pm

To say the true? The true my friend is simple. Gcs are requested to sign a solution agreement
(always after 1974) as the loosers of a war.This of course is a fact. But , at least they are trying to
save what they can save after a lost war.


Yes there was the reality of the lost war in the plan where it was the bizonal de facto situation, but federation
was not a result of the invasion. And by your logic the best way to save what they can is to continue
the nationalistic crap that had destroyed them? And now if the Cypriots eventually and totally prove what
they are racists and what the can’t live with the TC’s they will prove their responsibility for everything happened.

And what they would earn from proving to the world that? Simply nothing and as soon as they will
Realize it the better for them, because they are about to loose everything where they could have everything in the Anan plan if they had the balls and if they had a reliable government.
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