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More Turkish Saber Rattling

Postby boomerang » Tue Oct 30, 2007 10:16 am

More Turkish Saber Rattling
October 23, 2007 01:00 PM EST

It's an odd thing to see an Islamist prime minister getting so much cooperation from a military that sees itself as the guardian of secular republicanism within the country. Yet that is the case in Turkey where Erdogan, playing the part of Bin Ladens disciple, actively subverts Ataturks secular republic. The Turkish military doesn't care much for Erdogan or his policies at home. His policies abroad are another matter.

Using the shattered remnants of the PKK as an excuse, Erdogan continues to send the Turkish military to the Iraq border and threaten and invasion. Now to be against that thug Erdogan doesn't mean one is for the PKK. The PKK is a communist group that has used terror in the past against Turks. However, the PKK is a broken group. Their leader is in prison for life and most of their members are gone. Even Kurdish support for them is low, Kurdish support for freedom from Turkey is not.

And why not? As Ralph Peters in USA Today points out, the Kurds were living there long before the first Turk ever showed up. The Kurds make up about 20% of Turkeys population and most Kurds don't want anything to do with a Turkish state that wants nothing to do with them. The Turks stripped them of their national identity, forbade their language and pretended that they didn't exist.

For all the talk of the PKK, an organization that is in no way capable of threatening Turkey(this isn't Al-Qaida, or Hizbollah were talking about here), this is about threatening a free Kurdish people in Iraq. The very idea that a Kurd isn't being terrorized by a Turk, and Arab, or an Iranian is too much for the Turkish leadership and is enough to make an Islamist like Erdogan get the cooperation of his secularist generals.

The Turks would probably get away with it too. The Europeans won't do anything, the U.S. would be infuriated especially if it widened the war in Iraq, and such a move would be very popular with the Turkish people who pretend that they haven't done anything wrong. Just as they pretend the Armenian genocide didn't take place or that the Kurds are real (as we all know they're just mountain Turks.)

It's possible that this is nothing be Erdogan rattling his scmitar to solidify even more power in Turkey before he turns the country into a Salafist nightmare. Or it's also possible that he actually intends to invade with the PKK being his causus belli.

If an invasion should happen we should ask ourselves a couple of questions? Should we continue to support Turkey? It's been a pretty one-sided relationship, with the U.S. protecting Turkey from the USSR during the cold war, supporting Turkish entry into the EU, and supporting the Turkish invasion of Cyprus. The one time we asked something from the Turks, to come in across the Turkish Iraq border in 2003, we were denied. Secondly if they do invade should we help the Kurdish Peshmerga to give the Turks the kicking they deserve, not to mention protect Iraq from being plunged back into the type of violence that was endemic before the surge?

The U.S. must look out for its own interests, and that means keeping the Turks out of Iraq.

http://www.theconservativevoice.com/article/28815.html



please...please invade and show what the turks are made off... :wink:
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Postby Nikitas » Tue Oct 30, 2007 11:07 am

On the BBC yesterday I heard that 100 thousand Turkish soldiers had surrounded about 100 Kurdish guerillas. With these kinds of odds I dont think there is any risk of the Kurds kicking ass.


The article is another one of those exapmples of Americans remembering too late how they fucked up. Let them clear up their own mess now. What intriguesme is why not propose for the Kurds the same rights they want for the Turkish Cypriots. The proportions are about the same, the problem is worse for the Kurds and their desire to be separate from Turkey greater. Why not offer the Kurds a partnership under the umbrella of a Federal or confederal state, or even outright independence? It would make sense.
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Postby Nikitas » Tue Oct 30, 2007 11:35 am

A thought that seems obvious but have not seen it anywhere.

Turkey is supposedly militarily almiighty therefore feared in case of an invasion of Iraq etc etc. Really! How come it was not strong enough to PREVENT the incursions by the PKK then? It seems easier to detect and arrest a bunch of guerillas, about 100 people if reports are correct, than to mount an invasion. Especially these days with biosensors and silent unmanned spyplanes with infrared night cameras etc which make detection a piece of cake. So what is the intention here, prevention of incursions or occpation of northern Iraq?
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Postby shahmaran » Tue Oct 30, 2007 1:12 pm

:lol: :lol:

"..the shattered remnants of the PKK..." (not been watching the PKK camps lately on the news i take it),

"...Iraq from being plunged back into the type of violence that was endemic before the surge..." :lol:

there is so much to criticize severely, i cant even be bothered, where do you find this bullshit?! (and the one in the other thread while we are at it)

"theconservativevoice.com" that pretty much explains it, it must be written by a fucking cowboy who is so blindly devoted to their oil oriented lost cause in Iraq that they even fail to realize that Iraq now is MUCH worse then it was before, or how else...

It just shows that anything that is sounding remotely anti-Turkish is brought in here indiscriminately, doesn't matter if it is total crap or not, anything to take a cheap shot...
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Postby Nikitas » Tue Oct 30, 2007 1:29 pm

As opposed to the other way round where all the shots are expensive?
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Postby shahmaran » Tue Oct 30, 2007 1:48 pm

Nikitas wrote:As opposed to the other way round where all the shots are expensive?


Right :roll:

Maybe Boomerang really is a Bush supporter in which case i take it all back, i just assumed they weren't very common around here, i could be wrong.

But if he is not and is posting this crap just to discredit Turkey through something he doesn't even believe in then that is one proper cheap shot. :lol:
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Postby DT. » Tue Oct 30, 2007 2:29 pm

shahmaran wrote:
Nikitas wrote:As opposed to the other way round where all the shots are expensive?


Right :roll:

Maybe Boomerang really is a Bush supporter in which case i take it all back, i just assumed they weren't very common around here, i could be wrong.

But if he is not and is posting this crap just to discredit Turkey through something he doesn't even believe in then that is one proper cheap shot. :lol:


well, lets find out.

Boomers! You a red-neck, gun packin, cousin marryin, moonshine swiggin, Jebus fearin, Bush lover?
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Postby boomerang » Tue Oct 30, 2007 2:33 pm

hey uncle Georgie to the lot of you...please show some respect... :lol:

but why hang the messenger? :lol:
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