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Postby YeReVaN » Tue Jun 07, 2005 6:50 pm

Red Brigade10 wrote:Dear Yerevan why do you waste your time with a bunch of second generation Turkish immigrants.Its a waste of time to get yourself angry with some insignificant people in a cyber forum.Who is going to beleive them anyway. :wink:


You are right. They are bunch of igorant morons. If they belive in a lie, that's their problem. I'm not going to waste my time on those uneducated morons who don't know what they are talking about.
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Postby Saint Jimmy » Tue Jun 07, 2005 6:57 pm

YeReVaN wrote:I'm not going to waste my time on those uneducated morons who don't know what they are talking about.

Come on, man, I'm sure you can find it in your heart to share the light of knowledge with us... Please don't leave us...

Pleeeeeeeeease?
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Postby cannedmoose » Tue Jun 07, 2005 7:00 pm

YeReVaN wrote:You are right. They are bunch of igorant morons. If they belive in a lie, that's their problem. I'm not going to waste my time on those uneducated morons who don't know what they are talking about.


Most often those who think they are above everyone else have a deep ingrained inferiority complex. You know nothing about these people beyond their nationality and their views on the Armenian genocide (no matter how misguided some of them may be). Even if you disagree with them, it's a measure of your standing as a human being and as a rational individual how you treat them. Labelling them all as uneducated morons just because they disagree with you is a pretty sad indictment of yourself. I may disagree with people, but they're entitled to a view and if you don't like it, it's for you to assert your own opinions. If you can't change theirs, accept it and move on... that's how life works.
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Postby YeReVaN » Tue Jun 07, 2005 7:05 pm

i do not trust politicians hence for me personally i would like to see historians from both sides and some independent historians from other countries form a committee that would thoroughly investigate and whatever they come back with to me would be accurate(historians have no political gain and look for the truth imo)


The International Association Of Genocide Scholars that has 126 scolars has confermed that it is indeed a Genocide.
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Postby YeReVaN » Tue Jun 07, 2005 7:07 pm

Most often those who think they are above everyone else have a deep ingrained inferiority complex. You know nothing about these people beyond their nationality and their views on the Armenian genocide (no matter how misguided some of them may be). Even if you disagree with them, it's a measure of your standing as a human being and as a rational individual how you treat them. Labelling them all as uneducated morons just because they disagree with you is a pretty sad indictment of yourself. I may disagree with people, but they're entitled to a view and if you don't like it, it's for you to assert your own opinions. If you can't change theirs, accept it and move on... that's how life works.


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Postby magikthrill » Tue Jun 07, 2005 7:08 pm

yes but theyre all probably turk haters, right murtaza?
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Postby YeReVaN » Tue Jun 07, 2005 7:10 pm

GENOCIDE SCHOLARS CALL ON TURKEY TO END DENIAL
OF THE ARMENIAN GENOCIDE


ANCA Welcomes Open Letter by Leaders of the
International Association of Genocide Scholars


WASHINGTON, DC - The Armenian National Committee of America (ANCA) has welcomed an open letter by leaders of the International Association of Genocide Scholars (IAGS) calling on Turkey to end its campaign of denial of the Armenian Genocide and urging the Turkish government to accept responsibility for this crime against humanity.

The open letter, dated April 6th and first reported by Bloomberg News on April 14th, was signed by Robert Robert Melson, the President of the IAGS; Israel Charny, Vice-President of the Association, and; New York Times Best-Selling author Peter Balakian, who holds the Donald M. and Constance H. Rebar Professor of the Humanities at Colgate University. These scholars wrote in response to Turkish Prime Minister Erdogan's call for an "impartial investigation" of the fate of the Armenians in Turkey in 1915.

"We very much appreciate the strong leadership, academic integrity, and moral clarity of professors Melson, Charney, and Balakian in challenging Prime Minister Erdogan's cynical attempt to force an artificial debate on an issue that is thoroughly documented and universally accepted - except by the few remaining academic mercenaries in the service of Turkey's state-controlled institutions," said Aram Hamparian, Executive Director of the ANCA.

Speaking on behalf of the "the major body of scholars who study genocide in North America and Europe," the authors of the letter noted that the "Armenian Genocide is abundantly documented by thousands of official records of the United States and nations around the world including Turkey’s wartime allies Germany, Austria and Hungary, by Ottoman court-martial records, by eyewitness accounts of missionaries and diplomats, by the testimony of survivors, and by decades of historical scholarship."

The letter went on to stress that, "there may be differing interpretations of genocide - how and why the Armenian Genocide happened, but to deny its factual and moral reality as genocide is not to engage in scholarship but in propaganda and efforts to absolve the perpetrator, blame the victims, and erase the ethical meaning of this history."

"We would also note that scholars who advise your government and who are affiliated in other ways with your state-controlled institutions are not impartial. Such so-called "scholars" work to serve the agenda of historical and moral obfuscation when they advise you and the Turkish Parliament on how to deny the Armenian Genocide," the letter continued. "We believe that it is clearly in the interest of the Turkish people and their future as a proud and equal participant in international, democratic discourse to acknowledge the responsibility of a previous government for the genocide of the Armenian people, just as the German government and people have done in the case of the Holocaust."

Commenting on the letter, Hamparian added: "Clearly, the international pressure is growing on Turkey, and Ankara is finding itself increasingly isolated in its campaign of genocide denial. Unfortunately, rather than following the post World War II German model of accepting responsibility - as suggested in this letter - the Turkish government has responded, internally, by outlawing discussion of the Armenian Genocide - through Section 306 of their new penal code, and, abroad, in the form of aggressive, but increasingly transparent, efforts to deny the truth, engage in diversionary tactics, and escape justice for its crime."

The full text of the letter is provided below.


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INTERNATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF GENOCIDE SCHOLARS

President: Robert Melson (USA)
Vice-President: Israel Charny (Israel)
Secretary-Treasurer: Steven Jacobs (USA)

Respond to: Robert Melson, Professor of Political Science Purdue University, West Lafayette, IN 47907 USA


April 6, 2005


Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan
TC Easbakanlik
Bakanlikir
Ankara, Turkey
FAX: 90 312 417 0476

Dear Prime Minister Erdogan:

We are writing you this open letter in response to your call for an “impartial study by historians” concerning the fate of the Armenian people in the Ottoman Empire during World War I.

We represent the major body of scholars who study genocide in North America and Europe. We are concerned that in calling for an impartial study of the Armenian Genocide you may not be fully aware of the extent of the scholarly and intellectual record on the Armenian Genocide and how this event conforms to the definition of the United Nations Genocide Convention. We want to underscore that it is not just Armenians who are affirming the Armenian Genocide but it is hundreds of independent scholars, who have no affiliations with governments, and whose work spans many countries and nationalities and the course of decades. The scholarly evidence reveals the following:

On April 24, 1915, under cover of World War I, the Young Turk government of the Ottoman Empire began a systematic genocide of its Armenian citizens – an unarmed Christian minority population. More than a million Armenians were exterminated through direct killing, starvation, torture, and forced death marches. Another million fled into permanent exile. Thus an ancient civilization was expunged from its homeland of 2,500 years.

The Armenian Genocide was the most well-known human rights issue of its time and was reported regularly in newspapers across the United States and Europe. The Armenian Genocide is abundantly documented by thousands of official records of the United States and nations around the world including Turkey’s wartime allies Germany, Austria and Hungary, by Ottoman court-martial records, by eyewitness accounts of missionaries and diplomats, by the testimony of survivors, and by decades of historical scholarship.

The Armenian Genocide is corroborated by the international scholarly, legal, and human rights community:

1) Polish jurist Raphael Lemkin, when he coined the term genocide in 1944, cited the Turkish extermination of the Armenians and the Nazi extermination of the Jews as defining examples of what he meant by genocide.

2) The killings of the Armenians is genocide as defined by the 1948 United Nations Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide.

3) In 1997 the International Association of Genocide Scholars, an organization of the world’s foremost experts on genocide, unanimously passed a formal resolution affirming the Armenian Genocide.

4) 126 leading scholars of the Holocaust including Elie Wiesel and Yehuda Bauer placed a statement in the New York Times in June 2000 declaring the “incontestable fact of the Armenian Genocide” and urging western democracies to acknowledge it.

5) The Institute on the Holocaust and Genocide (Jerusalem), the Institute for the Study of Genocide (NYC) have affirmed the historical fact of the Armenian Genocide.

6) Leading texts in the international law of genocide such as William A. Schabas’s Genocide in International Law (Cambridge University Press, 2000) cite the Armenian Genocide as a precursor to the Holocaust and as a precedent for the law on crimes against humanity.

We note that there may be differing interpretations of genocide - how and why the Armenian Genocide happened, but to deny its factual and moral reality as genocide is not to engage in scholarship but in propaganda and efforts to absolve the perpetrator, blame the victims, and erase the ethical meaning of this history.

We would also note that scholars who advise your government and who are affiliated in other ways with your state-controlled institutions are not impartial. Such so-called “scholars” work to serve the agenda of historical and moral obfuscation when they advise you and the Turkish Parliament on how to deny the Armenian Genocide.

We believe that it is clearly in the interest of the Turkish people and their future as a proud and equal participant in international, democratic discourse to acknowledge the responsibility of a previous government for the genocide of the Armenian people, just as the German government and people have done in the case of the Holocaust.

Sincerely,

[signed]
Robert Melson
Professor of Political Science
President, International Association of Genocide Scholars

[signed]
Israel Charny
Vice President, International Association of Genocide Scholars
Editor in Chief, Encyclopedia of Genocide

[signed]
Peter Balakian
Donald M. and Constance H. Rebar Professor of the Humanities
Colgate University
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Postby YeReVaN » Tue Jun 07, 2005 7:14 pm

FAU Conference on Genocide Draws Scholars from Around the World


BOCA RATON, FL (May 16, 2005) - Florida Atlantic University will host the sixth biennial conference of the International Association of Genocide Scholars (IAGS) Saturday, June 4 through Tuesday, June 7. The conference, titled "Ninety Years after the Armenian Genocide and Sixty Years after the Holocaust: The Continuing Threat and Legacy of Genocide," will be held at FAU's Boca Raton campus, 777 Glades Road, and at the Hilton Suites Hotel, 7920 Glades Road, Boca Raton. There is a conference registration fee of $200, which includes a banquet and two lunches. Reservations must be made by visiting http://www.isg-iags.org/events.html or calling 561-297-2979.

Over the course of the three days, over 120 scholars from more than 20 countries will examine the legacy of genocide and ways to prevent future tragedies. Some of the issues that will be examined include:

• the legacy of the Armenian Genocide and the Holocaust for survivors, perpetrators, bystanders and the world community;

• identification of communities where genocide may occur in the future, including the current genocidal catastrophe in Sudan;

• the legacy of genocide in Cambodia , the former Yugoslavia and Rwanda;

• the denial of genocide;

• the representation of genocide in literature, art, film and music; and

• commemoration, restitution and reconciliation.

The conference is sponsored by the International Association of Genocide Scholars; FAU's Dorothy F. Schmidt College of Arts and Letters; James and Marta Batmasian; Alan L. Berger, Raddock Family Eminent Scholar Chair of Holocaust Studies; and the Center for the Study of Values and Violence after Auschwitz.


They are not politicians are they?
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Postby magikthrill » Tue Jun 07, 2005 7:15 pm

any news from the conferece or do you only know how to copy/paste articles m8?
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Postby YeReVaN » Tue Jun 07, 2005 7:16 pm

International Affirmation of the Armenian Genocide

Public Petitions

Statement by 126 Holocaust Scholars, Holders of Academic Chairs, and Directors of Holocaust Research and Studies Centers

March 7, 2000

View image of the petition appeared in New York Times, June 9, 2000.

126 HOLOCAUST SCHOLARS AFFIRM THE INCONTESTABLE FACT OF THE ARMENIAN GENOCIDE AND URGE WESTERN DEMOCRACIES TO OFFICIALLY RECOGNIZE IT

At the Thirtieth Anniversary of the Scholar's Conference on the Holocaust and the Churches Convening at St. Joseph University, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, March 3-7, 2000, one hundred twenty-six Holocaust Scholars, holders of Academic Chairs and Directors of Holocaust Research and Studies Centers, participants of the Conference, signed a statement affirming that the World War I Armenian Genocide is an incontestable historical fact and accordingly urge the governments of Western democracies to likewise recognize it as such. The petitioners, among whom is Nobel Laureate for Peace Elie Wiesel, who was the keynote speaker at the conference, also asked the Western Democracies to urge the Government and Parliament of Turkey to finally come to terms with a dark chapter of Ottoman-Turkish history and to recognize the Armenian Genocide. This would provide an invaluable impetus to the process of the democratization of Turkey.

Below is a partial list of the signatories:


Prof. Yehuda Bauer
Distinguished Professor
Hebrew University
Director, The International Institute of Holocaust Research
Yad Vashem, Jerusalem

Prof. Israel Charny, Director
Institute of the Holocaust and Genocide, Jerusalem
Professor at the Hebrew University,
Editor-in-Chief of The Encyclopedia of Genocide

Prof. Ward Churchill
Ethnic Studies
The University of Colorado, Boulder

Prof. Stephen Feinstein, Director
Center for Holocaust and Genocide Studies
University of Minnesota

Prof. Saul Friedman, Director
Holocaust and Jewish Studies
Youngston State University, Ohio

Prof. Edward Gaffney
Valparaiso University Law School

Prof. Zev Garber
Los Angeles Valley College

Prof. Dorota Glowacka
University of King's Collage
Halifax, Nova Scotia

Dr. Irving Greenberg, President
Jewish Life Network

Prof. Herbert Hirsch
Virginia Commonwealth University

Prof. Irving L. Horowitz
Hannah Arendt Distinguished Professor
Rutgers University, NJ

Rabbi Dr. Steve Jacobs
Temple Sinai Shalom
Huntsville, Alabama
Associate Editor of The Encyclopedia of Genocide

Prof. Steven Katz
Distinguish Professor
Director, Center for Judaic Studies
Boston University



Prof. Richard Libowitz
Temple University

Dr. Marcia Littell
Stockton College
Exec. Director, Scholars' Conference
On the Holocaust and the Churches

Franklin Littell
Emeritus Professor
Temple University

Prof. Hubert G. Locke
Washington University
Co-founder of the Annual Scholar's Conference
On the Holocaust and the Churches

Dr. Elizabeth Maxwell
Executive Director of the International Scholarly
Conference on the Holocaust, London, England

Prof. Erik Markusen
Southwest State University, MN

Prof. Saul Mendlowitz
Dag Hammerskjold Distinguished Professor
of International Law
Rutgers University

Prof. Jack Needle, Director
Center for Holocaust Studies
Brookdale Community College
Lincroft, NJ

Dr. Philip Rosen, Director
Holocaust Education Center of the Delaware Valley

Prof. Alan S, Rosenbaum
Dept. of Philosophy
Cleveland State University

William L. Shulman, President
Association of Holocaust Organizations City University of New York

Prof. Samuel Totten
The University of Arkansas
Assoc. Editor of The Encyclopedia of Genocide

Prof. Elie Wiesel
Andrew W. Mellon Professor in the Humanities
Boston University
Founding Chairman of the United States
Holocaust Memorial Council
Nobel Laureate for Peace




I hereby declare that the originals of these one hundred and twenty-six signatories are on file in my office. All affiliations supplied are for identification purposes only.



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Center for Holocaust and Genocide Studies
University of Minnesota
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