Cyprus-Forum.com

[unnamedman]

Magik, SOAD is an Armenian-American group and in one part of their song "Chop Suey"s video, a Turkish flag is being burt, but later this scene was replaced by another scene, where the group members eat Chinese food. They also have a special song for the so-called Armenian genocide. Although they are so hateful towards Turks, their CDs are being bought by thousands in Turkey. It's so sad that they attach politics to music.

first of all, we mustn't be behave like racist. Yes, SOAD is doing wrong things in their videos and concerts. Altough that, turks are buying their album. Because, they are talking about lots of things! Bombs, children deaths and wars! I think, that is a goog thing, but noone has a right for insulting a country's flag or people.

Real Story:

After the independence war, some of the turkish soldier put the greek's flag into stairs for that Atatürk(Founder of Turkey) foot on it. But Atatürk, said that;

"Take it that flag, flag is a symbol of a nation's freedom and people's existence. No one has a right for doing someting like it"

[magikthrill]

if you want to make a comment, please look at the topic's name, and what i have written. Please, answer all of my questions, not only one that you can answer.

How about YOU look at the topics name.

I asked you a quesitno. If you do not know how to answer it then you should not have posted what you posted in the first place.

I only asked you this one question becuse that is the only one that I didint understand from your post.

Capito?

And I dont know Turkish so could you help me out witht that?

[unnamedman]

if you want to make a comment, please look at the topic's name, and what i have written. Please, answer all of my questions, not only one that you can answer.

How about YOU look at the topics name.

I asked you a quesitno. If you do not know how to answer it then you should not have posted what you posted in the first place.

I only asked you this one question becuse that is the only one that I didint understand from your post.

Capito?

And I dont know Turkish so could you help me out witht that?

really couldn't see your question. i mean that, the topic is about the armenian genocide, so-called genocide or tragedy whatever it.

[magikthrill]

you still havent answered my questino as to how the French, Uk, Greeks etc occupied Turkey.

When and how did this happene exactly?

[Dawn]

Piratis, just because 6-7 countries recognize this socalled genocide, does not make it real... Why did it take 90 years for France to realise that there had been an Armenian genocide?? Sweden suddenly changed its official position and does not recognise the "genocide" anymore. Why did this happen? IF there had been such a thing called "Armenian genocide" , why is it so hard for the countries to recongise it?
The murderings of Armenians during the World War 1 do not necessarily mean that the Ottoman government wanted to get rid of the whole Armenian race from the Earth! We all know that this Armenian genodice thing was first created by the British during the World War 1 in order to justify the creation of an Armenian state and invasion of the Eastern Anatolia by Russia. We also know that Armenian genocide is the only thing that keep Armenians as a nation.
The fact is that many Armenians were brutally slaughtered during the wars by Turks and Kurds, however this cannot be classified as a "genocide". If so, why were the Armenians in Istanbul not murdered? Besides, during the wars 2.5 million Ottomans had died in Eastern Anatolia (Ottoman Empire was under occupation of five nations). There is another fact that, in the USA if scholars do not support the Armenian genocide they face with threat and even are attacked by the Armenian groups. Former UCLA Professor Stanford Shaw's house was bombed by Armenians, because he didnt believe the socalled genocide had happened!!

"Instead of recognizing that Turkey is one of the worst countries in terms of human rights violations, and that their history is again one of the most brutal ones (in the way they treated others), they are just giving cheap excuses." You are telling this just because you are a Greek Cypriot... That is the only explanation. You do not have propagandas in South, do you? We have less brutal history than the whole Europe mate!

You are so wrong I don't even know where to begin.

First of, 15 countries have recognized the genocide, not 5. Do you think if it never happened, those 15 countries would risk loosing relations with Turkey, a country way more powerful than Armenia, over a lie? I don’t think so. Why other countries haven't recognize the genocide you ask? Lets see… There are only about 8 million Armenians world wide (though if genocide hadn’t happened, the number would’ve been doubled) compared to 10 times of that for Turks, many people haven’t even heard about the Armenian genocide. Turkey is Israel best and only friend in the region, thus Israel is among the group of deniers, and Jews pretty much own America. So there goes the reason for Israel and the US. Turkey is a powerful country. Armenia on the other hand, not really. Turkey has mentioned many times, it will cut relations with countries who recognize the Armenian genocide. Do I have to explain more?

So there was a “war“? Lets see… If deporting 1.5 million people from their ancestral homeland into the desert with no food or water, raping their women, cutting pregnant women’s stomachs and taking the babies out, stealing little girls, etc. etc. etc. is your definition of a war, then indeed, it was a "war". If, on the other hand, a war is between two armies and not their women, children, and the elderly, then you can not characterize it as a “war”.

[Main_Source]

You know what, I find it such a joke when the same people who are upset about GC killing TC pre 1974, are so ardent that the genocide did not happend. Some of the arguments i've heard against whether the genocide did happen, are the biggest contradiction of terms i've heard.

[insan]

You are so wrong I don't even know where to begin.

How do you know you are so right? Did you examine all available info about the alleged Armenian genocide? How do you know the documents you have read are real? There are 1 million documents in hands of Turks which prove the alleagtions wrong. Have you ever red any of them?

First of, 15 countries have recognized the genocide, not 5. Do you think if it never happened, those 15 countries would risk loosing relations with Turkey, a country way more powerful than Armenia, over a lie? I don’t think so. Why other countries haven't recognize the genocide you ask? Lets see… There are only about 8 million Armenians world wide (though if genocide hadn’t happened, the number would’ve been doubled) compared to 10 times of that for Turks, many people haven’t even heard about the Armenian genocide.

Armenians have strong lobby organizations in those countries that's why they recognized genocide. And there are some that enemies of Turkey such as South Cyprus. Hellenic lobbyists work together with Kurdish and Armenian lobbyists. There are some 30 million Hellenes and some 60 million Kurds worldwide. Add 8 million Armenians, it makes up more than 98 million people propagating "Armenian Genocide", "Invasion of Cyprus", "Asia Minor Greek Genocide", "Pontian Genocide", "Kurdis Genocide", etc. Are you aware of these facts? Apparently, you are not.

[Piratis]

Insan, you are living in denial.
The fact is that the Turks for centuries have oppressed all the other people in the area and not only they never admitted it, but they continue to do so.

Unlike the Armenian genocide, we don't need documents to tell us what happened in Cyprus, or to wideness what is happening with the Kurds. Keep denying everything if you want, I really don't care, but at least know that you are not convincing anybody.

[Dawn]

Armenians have strong lobby organizations in those countries that's why they recognized genocide.

Oh yeah? Have you heard about Belgium's new bill to punish Armenian Genocide deniers? Here is the link. Well guess what? 150,000 Turks live in Belgium but only 6,000 Armenians. What are your thoughts on that?

[insan]

Armenians have strong lobby organizations in those countries that's why they recognized genocide.

Oh yeah? Have you heard about Belgium's new bill to punish Armenian Genocide deniers? Here is the link. Well guess what? 150,000 Turks live in Belgium but only 6,000 Armenians. What are your thoughts on that?

So-called Europeanism. So where is the freedom of speech and freedom of thought.

Of yeah! Let's violate the freedom of speech and freedom of thought for a so-called Armenian Genocide. This is really extremely ridiculous!

And you dawn, give me the link to read about this ridiculous bill.


Hahahaha! A bill that intends to force Belgians not to speak against Armenian genocide!

Some European countries really have a great democrasy and respect for freedom of speech.