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Postby Red Brigade10 » Sat Jun 04, 2005 5:53 pm

Sure you can understand what they think.


Indeed.

"MADDE 306- (1) Temel millî yararlara karşı fiillerde bulunmak maksadıyla veya bu nedenle, yabancı kişi veya kuruluşlardan doğrudan doğruya veya dolaylı olarak kendisi veya başkası için yarar sağlayan vatandaşa, üç yıldan on yıla kadar hapis ve on bin güne kadar adli para cezası verilir. Yarar sağlayan veya vaat eden kişi hakkında da aynı cezaya hükmolunur.

(2) Fiilin savaş sırasında işlenmiş ya da yararın basın ve yayın yoluyla propaganda yapmak için verilmiş veya vaat edilmiş olması hâlinde, verilecek ceza yarı oranında artırılır.

(3) Suç savaş hâli dışında işlendiği takdirde, bu nedenle kovuşturma yapılması Adalet Bakanının iznine bağlıdır.

(4) Temel millî yararlar deyiminden; bağımsızlık, toprak bütünlüğü, millî güvenlik ve cumhuriyetin Anayasada belirtilen temel nitelikleri anlaşılır.

GEREKÇE:

Madde, genel olarak temel millî yararları korumakta ve bunlara karşı fiillerde bulunmak üzere yarar elde edilmesini cezalandırmaktadır. “Temel millî yarar” kavramının gerek içerik gerek kapsamı itibarıyla çok geniş olabileceği bilinmektedir. Bu bakımdan maddenin son fıkrası kısıtlayıcı bir ölçüt olarak kaleme alınmıştır.

Bu nedenle, “kanunsuz suç olmaz” ilkesini kabul etmiş bulunan Türk ceza hukuku sisteminde “temel millî yarar”a karşı eylemde bulunma maksadının belirlenmesi bazen duraksamalara neden olabilir. Ancak maddenin son fıkrası duraksamaların giderilmesine olanak verecek niteliktedir.

Suçun maddî unsuru, para gibi bir yarar kabul etmektir. Ancak bu kabulün belirli temel millî yararlara karşı eylemlerde bulunmak amacıyla veya bu nedenle gerçekleşmesi gereklidir. Sağlanan yararı kabul etmek suçun tamamlanması için yeterlidir; ayrıca fiilen temel millî yararlara karşı eylemde bulunmuş olmak, suçun oluşması için zorunlu değildir.

Madde, failde kastın ötesinde belli bir amacın varlığını aramaktadır: Maddî unsur, temel millî yararlara karşı eylemlerde bulunmak amacıyla gerçekleştirilecektir.
Yukarıda açıklandığı üzere madde, genel olarak, temel millî yararlara karşı eylemleri cezalandırmaktadır. Bu itibarla kanunda temel millî yararların ihlâli ayrıca özel hükümlerle korunmuş bulunduğu hâllerde o hükümlerin uygulanması gerekecektir.

Maddenin ikinci fıkrasında suçun savaş sırasında işlenmiş olması, daha ağır cezayı gerektiren nitelikli hâl sayılmıştır. Esasen savaş sırasında “temel millî yarar”ın saptanmasında hiçbir zorluk da bulunmaz; zira artık ölçü vardır: Savaş çabalarını ve zaferin kazanılmasını engelleyici her fiil temel millî yararlara karşı sayılmak gerekecektir.

Keza, bu fıkraya göre, basın ve yayın yoluyla propaganda yapmak üzere para veya yarar veya vaat kabul edilmiş ise ceza artırılacaktır: Para, yarar veya vaat kabulü suretiyle bugün Türk askerinin Kıbrıs’tan çekilmesi veya bu konuda Türkiye aleyhine bir çözüm yolunun kabulü için veya sırf Türkiye’ye zarar vermek maksadıyla, tarihsel gerçeklere aykırı olarak, Birinci Dünya Savaşı sonrasında Ermenilerin soykırıma uğradıklarının basın ve yayın yoluyla propagandasının yapılması gibi.

Maddenin üçüncü fıkrası, “temel millî yarar” kavramının belirlenmesindeki tereddütleri gidermek ve gereksiz kovuşturmalara yer bırakmamak için, suçun kovuşturulmasını barış zamanında Adalet Bakanının iznine bağlamıştır.
Maddenin son fıkrası, temel millî yararlardan nelerin anlaşılması gerektiğini göstermektedir. Bu fıkra, Fransız Ceza Kanunundan esinlenilerek kaleme alınmıştır. Fransız Kanunu, belirttiği bazı suçların temel millî yararlara ilişkin bulunmasını suçun unsuru saymış ve bu nedenle temel millî yararların neler olduğunu tanımlamıştır. Böylece Fransız Kanunu temel millî yararlara yönelik her hareketi suç saymamakta, bazı suçların cezalandırılması için bu yararlara zarar olasılığını aramakla ve bu nedenle temel millî yararların ne olduğunu tanımlamaktadır.

Bu madde ise, söz konusu kavramı, son fıkrasındaki tanımın çerçevesinde sınırlandırmakta ve bu değerlere karşı harekette bulunmak için yarar sağlanmasını suç saymaktadır. "


How convinient to post your law in Turkish so nobody except you can understand what is the text about. :?


Any Armenian and Cyprus word?


Again i will have to post your little law:


Article 306 of the Turkish Penal Code: This provision threatens authors with jail sentences over statements that are construed by government officials to undermine Turkish "national interests".


Do you understand what the above means?

Yes I searched it google. and find a lot Armenian cite.

Well done do you excpect the Nobel Prize?

What about law at France?


Exactly what France has to do with anything related with what we talk about?This is as much relevant as your post about treachery regarding to the ArmeniansImage

there is a law for ''Insulting Ataturk''. And Turkish Journalists sent in prison because of that law.


You just admited that there is Fascism in Turkey my friend :D

Yes I want, Please.


How can i possibly refuse it to you when you are so polite. :D

This is the Official Site of the Federation of Cartoonists' Organisations.
Read the article,written just two months ago, regarding Turkey...very interesting isnt it?
:D
http://www.fecoweb.org/News/07-4-05Turkish%20cartoon%20lawsuit.html

Musa Kart
Erdil Yasaroglu
Salih Memecan
Hilal Incesu
Selvi


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Acording to your Goverment this cartoon is a threat against the national security of Turkey :?

This flurry of litigation has highlighted the plight of some 60 other Turkish academics, publishers and journalists who also currently face prosecution or are in prison.

I add that those are just those went in prison because they made a cartoon, i didn't mentioned the others

*cough Ragip Duran cough *

Other sources for cartoon Designing imprisonments
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4314933.stm

http://www.washingtontimes.com/functions/print.php?StoryID=20050329-112743-3862r

http://www.bianet.org/2004/11/01_eng/news45106.htm

http://www.discardedlies.com/entries/sunbaked/index.php

http://www.flash-bulletin.de/2005/eMarch29.htm#6

By the way non of these links are neither pro-Armenian ,or pro-greek , or pro-Kurdish.Unless if you think that we own all the mass media in the world and we have planned an international conspiracy against the Turks :|

Because I think you are an Armenian, I dont think Greeks will fight agains the Armenian because somethink happened 1000 years ago. I just want to learn If Armenians know their history.


This is hilarious :roll:
My friend check my IP adress if you want , i lived in Athens all my life,unlike some other of the Greek posters here.


In fact this was the what I write, So get lost. You lier.


Aww..why do you get upset my little Turkish friend , i just simply agreed with you :D

Now I see difference between cunning and intelligent.

Congratualtions. :D

You are cunning but not intelligent.


Everyone can have his own opinion...in democratic countries. :wink:

Yes there is a reason for everythink. What is your reason for this post? You are not armenian and you lie deliberately. Your hate from Turk?



First of all calm down.I have nothing against the Turkish people , nothing.
My problems are with your Goverment and those who control it, because the biggest victims of the Turkish Goverment are neither the Armenians or the Greeks or the Kurds , but the Turkish people.

:!: PS:By the way i am surprised that you didn't knew those cartoon designers who were persecuted.It must have been all over the news in Turkey.One more reason that makes me think that neither you or the rest of the Turks here live in Turkey.

PS2:You forgot to answer to this :wink:
Dear Murtaza if i take a huge poster , go infront of the Turkish Parliament and shout , recognise the Armenian Genocide,Free Kurdistan and take the troops out from Cyprus,with all your *cough honesty cough*, what do you think is going to happen to me next day? Shocked
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Postby Murtaza » Sat Jun 04, 2005 6:16 pm

You are lying.
No one jailed because of that picture.
No one said It is is a threat against the national security of Turkey.
Erdogan complain him by personaly for compensation. He didnt jailed.
You are changing truths.
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Postby magikthrill » Sat Jun 04, 2005 6:25 pm

Murtaza wrote:You are lying.
No one jailed because of that picture.
No one said It is is a threat against the national security of Turkey.
Erdogan complain him by personaly for compensation. He didnt jailed.
You are changing truths.


lol
damn you brigade.
how dare you call Turkey a fascist country.
people have to pay compensation expressing their own views.
you go saying that they get jailed.
LIES!
:lol: :lol: :lol:

murtaza you sound like a little kid who was sexually abused and goes saying "lies my daddy never touched me there. he only played with me"
lol
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Postby Murtaza » Sat Jun 04, 2005 6:29 pm

I dont say that is true. But he is lying.
Turkey is not a perfect country. But It is not so much fasist too.
He should say trues.
If I say some greeks killed Turks that would be true.
But If I said all greeks killed Turks that would be lie.
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Postby magikthrill » Sat Jun 04, 2005 6:46 pm

im sorry butt hey your arguments are presented compared to his i feel like youre the one who is blinded by the crap your gov't tells you. i havent seen him lie anywhere in his post:

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This flurry of litigation has highlighted the plight of some 60 other Turkish academics, publishers and journalists who also currently face prosecution or are in prison.
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Postby Murtaza » Sat Jun 04, 2005 7:04 pm

Acording to your Goverment this cartoon is a threat against the national security of Turkey
This is the lie.


did I say they are not correct?
If you look post before this, You will see I accept People jailed because of law about the ''Insulting Ataturk''.
We know Turkey is not most democratic country in world.
But not most fasist one too.
And he lies with bad-will.
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Postby YeReVaN » Sat Jun 04, 2005 7:09 pm

Dear Red Brigade, I think you are wasting your time because I've been trying to tell the armenian side of the story but it seems like they especially Martaza is not going to get it. They are not ready to accept the reality. If I'm not mistaked, you are Greek. Armenians and Greeks Have been living in harmony for thousands of years. Our cultures have a lot in common. Armenians and Greeks are brothers, so if some idiot like Martaza is trying to steer some up. It's not gonna happen.
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Postby Murtaza » Sat Jun 04, 2005 7:11 pm

YeReVaN wrote:Dear Red Brigade, I think you are wasting your time because I've been trying to tell the armenian side of the story but it seems like they especially Martaza is not going to get it. They are not ready to accept the reality. If I'm not mistaked, you are Greek. Armenians and Greeks Have been living in harmony for thousands of years. Our cultures have a lot in common. Armenians and Greeks are brothers, so if some idiot like Martaza is trying to steer some up. It's not gonna happen.


LOL I dont want to steer up anything.
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Postby YeReVaN » Sat Jun 04, 2005 7:14 pm

PS:By the way i am surprised that you didn't knew those cartoon designers who were persecuted.It must have been all over the news in Turkey.One more reason that makes me think that neither you or the rest of the Turks here live in Turkey.


Because they don't hear what they don't want to hear. They just close their ears and eyes and pretend it never happened. Classic Turkish behavior. Then they will blame somebody else for their problem.
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Postby YeReVaN » Sat Jun 04, 2005 7:18 pm

LOL I dont want to steer up anything


Yes you do. You were suggesting that Armenians backstabbed Greeks.
The only nation who backstabed anybody is Turkey. (Armenians, Greeks, Kurds, Arabs)
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