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[YeReVaN]

Like I said,

secondly I don't think I can't work out a solution with an ignorant guy who refuses to look for other possibilities and try to actually go and researsh his argument for himself, instead of repeating what his government is saying. He needs to open his mind first and actually be willing to listen to the other side, without that we are never gonna achieve anything.

[YeReVaN]

In just 2 weeks, Turkey's prime minister will be in the United States for an official visit, proclaiming that his nation is a democracy ready for full membership in the European Community and asking for U.S. support.

Murtaza wrote:

No:(
God help us. Pls USA we dont want democrasi which comes from you.

[YeReVaN]

Deep down inside, Martaza knows that it was a Genocide. He just doesn't want to admit it. Maybe because of national pride. Ohh and I forgot, he lives in Turkeyif he admits that there was an Armenian Genocide, he could be sent to jail for 10 years.

[garbitsch]

Deep down inside, Martaza knows that it was a Genocide. He just doesn't want to admit it. Maybe because of national pride. Ohh and I forgot, he lives in Turkeyif he admits that there was an Armenian Genocide, he could be sent to jail for 10 years.

How many years do you get in Armenia if you deny it? I know if you deny it in Switzerland, you get punishment. What a right to express!

[Murtaza]

Deep down inside, Martaza knows that it was a Genocide. He just doesn't want to admit it. Maybe because of national pride. Ohh and I forgot, he lives in Turkeyif he admits that there was an Armenian Genocide, he could be sent to jail for 10 years.

How many years do you get in Armenia if you deny it? I know if you deny it in Switzerland, you get punishment. What a right to express!

LOL, Noone is jailed in Turkey because of So-Called Armenian Genocide.
At least I didnt hear.That is complately a lie.

[YeReVaN]

Deep down inside, Martaza knows that it was a Genocide. He just doesn't want to admit it. Maybe because of national pride. Ohh and I forgot, he lives in Turkeyif he admits that there was an Armenian Genocide, he could be sent to jail for 10 years.

How many years do you get in Armenia if you deny it? I know if you deny it in Switzerland, you get punishment. What a right to express!

There is no such law in Armenia if you deny the genocide, as for Switzerland, as you know the lawmakers are not Armenian. So the country decided to make a law like that. Armenia had nothing to do with that.

[YeReVaN]

WHAT ABOUT THIS?




For Immediate Release
Contact: Talline Tachdjian
Tel. +32 (0)2 732 70 26
September 28th, 2004


THE NEW TURKISH PENAL CODE WOULD CRIMINALIZE
RECOGNITION OF THE ARMENIAN GENOCIDE

-- The European Armenian Federation calls on the European Commission
to end its silence in the face Turkey's campaign of denial

BRUSSELS, BELGIUM - Following its recent attempts to criminalize
adultery, the Turkish government is now trying to place several
articles in the provisional penal code that threaten freedom of speech,
including, notably, criminal sanctions against those who recognize
or otherwise affirm the facts of the Armenian Genocide.

The European Armenian Federation condemns article 306 of the new
Turkish penal code. This provision threatens authors with jail
sentences over statements, that are construed by government officials
to undermine Turkish "national interests". Examples of so-called
offensive statements listed in the provisional law include, "The
Turkish Army must withdraw from Cyprus" and "Armenians endured a
genocide during the Ottoman era." Some parliamentarians introduced
an amendment, which would mandate sanctions against authors and
individuals, if it is determined that their statements are motivated by
"material interests."

The provision gives no legal justification for the law, which
remains fundamentally incompatible with the European values of free
expression. The European Commission scarcely reacted when the Turkish
Ministry of Education brought genocide denial into the classroom, by
institutionalizing it in the curriculum. A coalition of European NGOs
expressed its concern about the denialist curriculum and called for
the suspension of EC grants to the Turkish educational system. The
European Parliament also expressed its concern in the Oostlander
report on the Turkish application for EU membership.

"Today, far from repenting for the Genocide, Turkey now wants
to include denial of this crime in its penal code. Clearly, the
indifference of the European Commission is partially responsible
for the hardening of the Turkish position on this issue", said Hilda
Tchoboian, Chairperson of the European Armenian Federation. "Prime
Minister Erdogan's about-face on the adultery issue will simply be a
media ploy if Europe does not demand that Ankara grant full freedom
of speech to its citizens. We call on political parties, governments,
and human rights organizations to urge the European Commission to
call for justice for the Armenian Genocide. It is unthinkable that
the Commission would not consider Turkey's denialist position a key
obstacle to the initiation of preliminary talks," added Tchoboian.

"Whether they are in favor of a European Turkey, or whether they are
against its accession, the Union's democrats cannot tolerate these
attacks on the freedom of press and thought that have free reign
in Turkey. It is time for the European Union to call on Turkey to
recognize the Armenian Genocide," concluded Federation's chairperson

[Murtaza]

we will see.
I dont think anyone will ever jailed because of Armenian genocide.

And I said you before this law are not related with Armenian genocide.
And This is a delibaretly lie.

How many Turks killed by armenians?
Didnt you answer this question?
None?
Or didnt you count life of Turkish people(do you accept them as a homo sapiens?)?

[YeReVaN]

we will see.
I dont think anyone will ever jailed because of Armenian genocide.

And I said you before this law are not related with Armenian genocide.
And This is a delibaretly lie.

How many Turks killed by armenians?
Didnt you answer this question?
None?
Or didnt you count life of Turkish people(do you accept them as a homo sapiens?)?

If you don't know anybody that was jailed, doesn't meen nobody has been jailes. There are 70 million people living in Turkey. I don't think you know every single one of them. The law is very much related to Armenian Genocide. CAN"T YOU READ. ANYBODY WHO SAIS THAT ARMENIAN GENOCIDE IS TOOK PLACE CAN GO TO JAIL FOR UP TP 10 YEARD. Supposedly it will damage your national interests. Second of all I can't tell you how many Turks were killed by Armenians. I'm sure there were Turks killed by Armenians. In self defense. But it sure was nothing to compare with slaughter of Armenian people bu Turks.

[YeReVaN]

BRUSSELS, BELGIUM - Following its recent attempts to criminalize
adultery, the Turkish government is now trying to place several
articles in the provisional penal code that threaten freedom of speech,
including, notably, criminal sanctions against those who recognize
or otherwise affirm the facts of the Armenian Genocide.