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[YeReVaN]

Why was it postponed? The bottom line is your government interfered and didn't let the conference take place.

[Murtaza]

You dont have to past that news. I know what this stupid guy said.

[Murtaza]

Why was it postponed? The bottom line is your government interfered and didn't let the conference take place.

Not interfered, Just that stupid guy speak just as you read.
And some people make some protest against it.
And a lot people talk against that stupid guys.

I dont know why he talk like this. But I think he is the backstabber.

[YeReVaN]

we didnt try to put any law against the denying genocide.

How do you explain this?
EUROPEAN ARMENIAN FEDERATION
for Justice and Democracy
Avenue de la Renaissance 10
B - 1000 BRUSSELS
Tel. +32 (0)2 732 70 26
Tel. /Fax. +32 (0)2 732 70 27
E-mail: [email protected]
Website: www.eafjd.org

PRESS RELEASE

For Immediate Release
Contact: Talline Tachdjian
Tel. +32 (0)2 732 70 26
September 28th, 2004


THE NEW TURKISH PENAL CODE WOULD CRIMINALIZE
RECOGNITION OF THE ARMENIAN GENOCIDE

-- The European Armenian Federation calls on the European Commission
to end its silence in the face Turkey's campaign of denial

BRUSSELS, BELGIUM - Following its recent attempts to criminalize
adultery, the Turkish government is now trying to place several
articles in the provisional penal code that threaten freedom of speech,
including, notably, criminal sanctions against those who recognize
or otherwise affirm the facts of the Armenian Genocide.

The European Armenian Federation condemns article 306 of the new
Turkish penal code. This provision threatens authors with jail
sentences over statements, that are construed by government officials
to undermine Turkish "national interests". Examples of so-called
offensive statements listed in the provisional law include, "The
Turkish Army must withdraw from Cyprus" and "Armenians endured a
genocide during the Ottoman era." Some parliamentarians introduced
an amendment, which would mandate sanctions against authors and
individuals, if it is determined that their statements are motivated by
"material interests."

The provision gives no legal justification for the law, which
remains fundamentally incompatible with the European values of free
expression. The European Commission scarcely reacted when the Turkish
Ministry of Education brought genocide denial into the classroom, by
institutionalizing it in the curriculum. A coalition of European NGOs
expressed its concern about the denialist curriculum and called for
the suspension of EC grants to the Turkish educational system. The
European Parliament also expressed its concern in the Oostlander
report on the Turkish application for EU membership.

"Today, far from repenting for the Genocide, Turkey now wants
to include denial of this crime in its penal code. Clearly, the
indifference of the European Commission is partially responsible
for the hardening of the Turkish position on this issue", said Hilda
Tchoboian, Chairperson of the European Armenian Federation. "Prime
Minister Erdogan's about-face on the adultery issue will simply be a
media ploy if Europe does not demand that Ankara grant full freedom
of speech to its citizens. We call on political parties, governments,
and human rights organizations to urge the European Commission to
call for justice for the Armenian Genocide. It is unthinkable that
the Commission would not consider Turkey's denialist position a key
obstacle to the initiation of preliminary talks," added Tchoboian.

"Whether they are in favor of a European Turkey, or whether they are
against its accession, the Union's democrats cannot tolerate these
attacks on the freedom of press and thought that have free reign
in Turkey. It is time for the European Union to call on Turkey to
recognize the Armenian Genocide," concluded Federation's chairperson.

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N.B. In the French version of the Press Release we mentioned
the former article number which was the article 127. An English
version of this article is available to the following web link:
http://www.feajd.org/rubrique.php3?id_r ... 60&lang=en

[Murtaza]

"The Turkish Army must withdraw from Cyprus" and "Armenians endured a genocide during the Ottoman era." Some parliamentarians introduced
an amendment, which would mandate sanctions against authors and
individuals, if it is determined that their statements are motivated by
"material interests."

Just a joke? There is one million people about say The Turkish Army must withdraw from Cyprus.
And there is people who say "Armenians endured a genocide during the Ottoman era."
noone is charged with saying "Armenians endured a genocide"

they tried to pass a law which limit some freedom., But It is completaly no related with the Armenians issue or cyprus issue. There is not any word in our laws related with the Armenia.

There is noone accused.
But I think there is one historian accused by belgian.

So you are afrading from Ghosts and making crime of limiting freedom of speech.


But yes there was an discussion about this topic.Just some stupid man try to counter-act what belgian did. But It refused.

[YeReVaN]

they tried to pass a law which limit some freedom., But It is completaly no related with the Armenians issue or cyprus issue. There

the Turkish government is now trying to place several
articles in the provisional penal code that threaten freedom of speech,
including, notably, criminal sanctions against those who recognize
or otherwise affirm the facts of the Armenian Genocide.
This provision threatens authors with jail
sentences over statements, that are construed by government officials
to undermine Turkish "national interests


IT'S NOT RELATED WITH ARMENIAN ISSUE?

[Murtaza]

they tried to pass a law which limit some freedom., But It is completaly no related with the Armenians issue or cyprus issue. There

the Turkish government is now trying to place several
articles in the provisional penal code that threaten freedom of speech,
including, notably, criminal sanctions against those who recognize
or otherwise affirm the facts of the Armenian Genocide.
This provision threatens authors with jail
sentences over statements, that are construed by government officials
to undermine Turkish "national interests


IT'S NOT RELATED WITH ARMENIAN ISSUE?

No this two law is unrelated.
So the one related with Armenian issue is agrued not accepted.
The other one accepted but journalist were agains it.

[Murtaza]

they tried to pass a law which limit some freedom., But It is completaly no related with the Armenians issue or cyprus issue. There

the Turkish government is now trying to place several
articles in the provisional penal code that threaten freedom of speech,
including, notably, criminal sanctions against those who recognize
or otherwise affirm the facts of the Armenian Genocide.
This provision threatens authors with jail
sentences over statements, that are construed by government officials
to undermine Turkish "national interests


IT'S NOT RELATED WITH ARMENIAN ISSUE?

And there was none accused.
But there is a historian accused by Belgian.
So It looks like, Freedom of speach is limited by Armenians.
So when you are doing worse things, dont accuse us.

[garbitsch]

we didnt try to put any law against the denying genocide.

How do you explain this?
EUROPEAN ARMENIAN FEDERATION
for Justice and Democracy
Avenue de la Renaissance 10
B - 1000 BRUSSELS
Tel. +32 (0)2 732 70 26
Tel. /Fax. +32 (0)2 732 70 27
E-mail: [email protected]
Website: www.eafjd.org

PRESS RELEASE

For Immediate Release
Contact: Talline Tachdjian
Tel. +32 (0)2 732 70 26
September 28th, 2004


THE NEW TURKISH PENAL CODE WOULD CRIMINALIZE
RECOGNITION OF THE ARMENIAN GENOCIDE

-- The European Armenian Federation calls on the European Commission
to end its silence in the face Turkey's campaign of denial

BRUSSELS, BELGIUM - Following its recent attempts to criminalize
adultery, the Turkish government is now trying to place several
articles in the provisional penal code that threaten freedom of speech,
including, notably, criminal sanctions against those who recognize
or otherwise affirm the facts of the Armenian Genocide.

The European Armenian Federation condemns article 306 of the new
Turkish penal code. This provision threatens authors with jail
sentences over statements, that are construed by government officials
to undermine Turkish "national interests". Examples of so-called
offensive statements listed in the provisional law include, "The
Turkish Army must withdraw from Cyprus" and "Armenians endured a
genocide during the Ottoman era." Some parliamentarians introduced
an amendment, which would mandate sanctions against authors and
individuals, if it is determined that their statements are motivated by
"material interests."

The provision gives no legal justification for the law, which
remains fundamentally incompatible with the European values of free
expression. The European Commission scarcely reacted when the Turkish
Ministry of Education brought genocide denial into the classroom, by
institutionalizing it in the curriculum. A coalition of European NGOs
expressed its concern about the denialist curriculum and called for
the suspension of EC grants to the Turkish educational system. The
European Parliament also expressed its concern in the Oostlander
report on the Turkish application for EU membership.

"Today, far from repenting for the Genocide, Turkey now wants
to include denial of this crime in its penal code. Clearly, the
indifference of the European Commission is partially responsible
for the hardening of the Turkish position on this issue", said Hilda
Tchoboian, Chairperson of the European Armenian Federation. "Prime
Minister Erdogan's about-face on the adultery issue will simply be a
media ploy if Europe does not demand that Ankara grant full freedom
of speech to its citizens. We call on political parties, governments,
and human rights organizations to urge the European Commission to
call for justice for the Armenian Genocide. It is unthinkable that
the Commission would not consider Turkey's denialist position a key
obstacle to the initiation of preliminary talks," added Tchoboian.

"Whether they are in favor of a European Turkey, or whether they are
against its accession, the Union's democrats cannot tolerate these
attacks on the freedom of press and thought that have free reign
in Turkey. It is time for the European Union to call on Turkey to
recognize the Armenian Genocide," concluded Federation's chairperson.

#####

N.B. In the French version of the Press Release we mentioned
the former article number which was the article 127. An English
version of this article is available to the following web link:
http://www.feajd.org/rubrique.php3?id_r ... 60&lang=en

WEll can you explain this too? It is a crime to deny Armenian genocide in Switzerland. Where is the freedom of expression? So you can ban the denial but you cannot do the other way around!

Yerevan, the problem is you accuse every Turk barbarian and you use a very discusting language. You claim land from Turkey and because of this you do not get any sympathy. Look, I could have admit that there was a genocidal incident, but since you were so arrogant I had to respond to you in the same way too. If you stop calling Turks barbarians, murderers etc then we can compromise. Would you accept that?

[YeReVaN]

I could have admit that there was a genocidal incident, but since you were so arrogant I had to respond to you in the same way too. If you stop calling Turks barbarians, murderers etc then we can compromise. Would you accept that?

First of all I never said All Turks are barbarians. I was refering to those Turks who brutally killed innocent Armenians.
Second I found what you said very interesting. So what your saying is if I didn't call all the Turks barbarians(which I didn't) you woulld accept the Genocide? Are you fuckin kidding me? Think about what you said you sound like a 5 year old kid.