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[YeReVaN]

But I know people who's grandparents lived in Turkey, before the massacre

[YeReVaN]

I heard the stories from them. How they lived in Turkey. And believe me it was not good. I heard all those terrible stories. I even met with some genocide survivors in my university that my profesor invited. And they told us those terrible stories.

[Murtaza]

But I know people who's grandparents lived in Turkey, before the massacre

Still this topic.
Hmm lets talk with a man who live in Turkey.
Than at least you will better understand why we dont accept Genocide.

[Murtaza]

I heard the stories from them. How they lived in Turkey. And believe me it was not good. I heard all those terrible stories. I even met with some genocide survivors in my university that my profesor invited. And they told us those terrible stories.

Yerevan if this is genocide, Way any Armenian in Istanbul didnt killed?

[YeReVaN]

Come on man. What you mean no Armenian in Istambul didn't get killed.
My neighbor's granpather lived in Istambul. His whole family was killed. Only he survived. He was saved by a frenchman who took him to France with him and later he came to US. Untill his death, my neighbor's grandfather did not know his true age. he did not know his birthdate.

[Murtaza]

Come on man. What you mean no Armenian in Istambul didn't get killed.
My neighbor's granpather lived in Istambul. His whole family was killed. Only he survived. He was saved by a frenchman who took him to France with him and later he came to US. Untill his death, my neighbor's grandfather did not know his true age. he did not know his birthdate.

oh
So there was a genocide in Istanbul too.
So where did Armenians in istanbul came?
There was not much Armenian in East, But in Istanbul there are. Why we didnt genocide them also?

[Murtaza]

And find an Armenia who lived in Turkey pls.
I wont to discuss again Genocide.
It goes nowhere.
But I am sure you can learn more knowledge from A Armeni who lived in Turkey.
At least you learn your enemy better.

[YeReVaN]

Look man, I cannot blame you, because you grew up believing a lie. The whole world knows that there was an Armenian genocide. It is a shame that your governemt is still covering up. There was suppose to be a big conference about Ottoman Armenians in your universities. Why didn't your government let the conference take place if there was no Genocide. Instead you called those people who wanted to organize the conference "back stabbers". If you belive that there was no Genocide, and you were so confident why didn't you let that conference take place?

[YeReVaN]

Turkey postpones conference on Armenian killings
Wed May 25, 2005 11:30 AM BST
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By Ayla Jean Yackley

ISTANBUL (Reuters) - A Turkish university facing accusations of "treason" has postponed a conference that offered a platform to academics questioning Ankara's official policy denying any World War One genocide of Armenians.

The conference, due to start on Wednesday at Istanbul's Bosphorus University, was organised as Muslim Turkey faces mounting international pressure to accept that mass killings of Christian Armenians starting in 1915 was genocide.

Turkey's pro-European government has broken with past administrations and said it is willing to discuss historical differences with Armenians, but official policy still vehemently rejects claims that 1.5 million Armenians were slaughtered.

It accepts that hundreds of thousands of Armenians were killed by Ottoman Turks but says even more Turks died in a partisan conflict that erupted as the Ottoman Empire collapsed.

Justice Minister Cemil Cicek said in parliament on Tuesday the conference by Turkish historians who say genocide occurred was a "stab in the back of the Turkish people".

"We must end this treason, the spreading of propaganda against Turkey by the people who belong to it," he said.

Bosphorus University said it had decided to put off the conference because of the prevailing climate.

"We are anxious that, as a state university, scientific freedom will be compromised due to prejudices about a conference that has not yet occurred," it said.

"We have decided it would be more appropriate to postpone the conference because of the results that could occur if the conference were held under these circumstances."

EU PRESSURE

The European Union has said it wants to see Turkey improve ties with neighbouring Armenia before it begins EU entry talks later this year. Some European officials have gone further, saying Turkey must acknowledge wrongdoing before starting talks.

An EU diplomat called Cicek's remarks "unbelievable".

"It not only kills the government's policy on the Armenian issue. It will also kill support for Turkey's EU drive," the Turkey-based diplomat said on condition of anonymity.

Several European nations, including Poland, France and Germany, have passed resolutions that recognise genocide. Turkey has accused Europe of using the Armenian issue to mask efforts against Turkey's inclusion in the affluent bloc.

"This strengthens the hand of those outside Turkey who say, 'Turkey has not changed, it is not democratic enough to discuss the Armenian issue,'" Hrant Dink, editor of the Armenian weekly Agos and a conference participant, told Reuters.

"It also shows there is a difference between what the government says and its intentions."

[Murtaza]

Look man, I cannot blame you, because you grew up believing a lie. The whole world knows that there was an Armenian genocide. It is a shame that your governemt is still covering up. There was suppose to be a big conference about Ottoman Armenians in your universities. Why didn't your government let the conference take place if there was no Genocide. Instead you called those people who wanted to organize the conference "back stabbers". If you belive that there was no Genocide, and you were so confident why didn't you let that conference take place?

Good question:(
But as your knowledge that conference didnt canceled. But just postponed.
It was not banned by goverment. People reflect it much.
And this question follow another question, why didnt you accept Erdogan proposal.
Just as I said. Find a Armeni from Turkey and talk him some.
By the way, we didnt bombed any historian. we didnt try to put any law against the denying genocide.
Just as I said, This discussion go forever.
Do you know even term of Genocide is to be explained after World War 2.
Do you know 70 000 army died in sarikamis because of frost.(No other reason)

Do you know 120 000-130 000 people died form epidemics in Dardanellas?

We don even know how many people died from starvation and epidemics, killed by Armenians(yes with help of Russia Armenians killed Turks too. Do you know this?) in Turkey. Do you know It is mainly Kurd tribes who fight agains the Armenies? That is the main reason why they fight with Turks at the independance war.


But it looks like.You think ottoman have food, ottoman have everything, and they deliberatly let Armenians died from starvation, and epidemics.
Turks and Kurds just began to butcher Armenians without any reason after they lived 500 year in peace. Do you know what ottoman named Armenians? Faithful Millet(Because they didnt rebelled)

So what happened Turks and Kurd, They began to kill Armenians?

Anyway genocide discussion go forever. Just learn about Turks form an armenian lived in Turkey.